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Re: Panart: San Felipe 1:75 Scale Build Log

Postby eric61 » Fri May 12, 2017 3:57 pm

A simple but perhaps not too costly option, is to re-plank.
A lot of the 'second planking' strips are very thin and would not bulk out the hull or decks, if you have a wall with a blemish on it you would paint over or repaint the wall, n'est-ce pas?

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Re: Panart: San Felipe 1:75 Scale Build Log

Postby zoly99sask » Fri May 12, 2017 5:01 pm

I personally really diappointed of the Mantua kits,major errors on the Santa Maria kit too,I replaced almost all the kit supplied wood and many modification on the kit itself.
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Re: Panart: San Felipe 1:75 Scale Build Log

Postby eric61 » Sun May 14, 2017 12:12 am

Here's what happened: I knew I got started off in the wrong direction when I used Annealed Steel Wire (guage .03 mm) to use as "Iron nails" for the treenailing. I found out the hard way.
Even though the steel treenails were flush with the hull planking...DO NOT sand the side of the hull that has steel wire as the "dust" from the steel wire will EMBED itself into the hull planking and will give you a nasty blackend gray look of which I almost did not get out completely. This mistake is only at the bow covering an area of about 20 nails (40 mm of length at bow on one strip).


Hi Donnie, got to thinking(BTW don't do it, it's dangerous!) with regards the above, I feel brass wire or copper would have been better than steel. Regarding sanding, that is a no no. You can use a fine file, that will not leave a darkened "splash" of grey in the wood, finish off with a very fine file that will polish the metal and not remove any wood in the process. One realises that in the real world the nails were contersunk and a timber plug hammered in after, to simulate that on your model the plugs would have to be about 0.5mm or smaller in diameter, which is the very tip of a toothpick.
My preference - brass or copper wire.
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Re: Panart: San Felipe 1:75 Scale Build Log

Postby Canoe21 » Fri May 19, 2017 6:54 pm

Hello Donnie

Sorry to hear of your troubles, but this is model ship building and this sort of thing is to be expected. You are the Captain of your ship and if you are not happy, redo it but if you are at all pleased with its looks than move along to the next stage, the choice is yours, ENJOY.
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Re: Panart: San Felipe 1:75 Scale Build Log

Postby popeye » Tue May 23, 2017 11:44 am

being honest Donnie.......I don't share your view of this project so far........I'd kill for a hull that looks like that! I've meet no one yet that can build with 100% accuracy.......you meet 'em......send 'em my way ;-) when this ship is built and rigged, you will see how minor some of these complaints were {by then, it will be moot}. at the moment, I'm building that Sergal Thermopylae. if there was a problem kit.....this one would be it. if the scale of the model doesn't kill it, the scale differences of the parts will...I'm having to scratch build quite a bit of it. to look at it where it stands now....it doesn't look bad, but that's because I made the changes.

have you given thought of drilling into the dummy stops to adjust the length of the cannons?
you could stain the outer hull to change the hue of the hull.
you didn't do anything to the lower decks, but have you thought of doing anything to the decking that will show?

you've done a great job so far.........keep up the good work! :)
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Re: Panart: San Felipe 1:75 Scale Build Log

Postby Donnie » Wed May 24, 2017 9:04 pm

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Thanks Popeye and all. I appreciate it. Well, I worked through it and got one side done. Here are some pics. I have not installed the extra Wales parts. I also do not know what color to paint the Wales. The box has them natural, BUT the box art is from other picture. The Box art is not using the laser cut pieces, so it must be an old box art. So, I am not sure if to paint the Wales a dark brown or flat black followed with satin poly. Does anyone have any suggestions ?
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Re: Panart: San Felipe 1:75 Scale Build Log

Postby eric61 » Thu May 25, 2017 2:03 am

Hi Donnie, have a look at this link, it may give you an idea regards color,

http://www.modelships.de/San_Felipe_169 ... ticity.htm

also some interesting history there!
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PS. Also this, you may have looked here B4,
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=span ... 8&dpr=1.25

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Re: Panart: San Felipe 1:75 Scale Build Log

Postby janos » Thu May 25, 2017 8:22 am

Looks great, Donnie!
I don't treenail my SoS but I did it on my Royal Caroline, and made it somewhat simpler with a trick. Holes are drilled but no trenail is inserted, just a mixture of sawdust & carpenter glue (plus some drops of acrylic to make it darker) will be smoothened into the surface and the rest is wiped off with a wet rug. Cheating I know but takes portion of the time (treenails do not have to be manufactured). Some people use timber filler for this.
Another thing to the hull sanding after steel treenails: it is dangerous, not only because of the decoloration but mostly because the iron dust which can't be fully removed, will rust later and it will make a nasty looking hull.
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Re: Panart: San Felipe 1:75 Scale Build Log

Postby Donnie » Thu May 25, 2017 8:58 am

Hi Janos, you are 100% correct in all accounts. Eric and others, thanks for the support. I think I am suffering from Artistry Remorse ! It is what it is and I am going to make the best of it. A lot of brass ornamentation will be covering up a lot of this and I am not worried about it too much.
The treenail idea of fillers is good and I should have went that route. But I guess I call myself trying to reach better heights of modeling. Oh well, I just look at it as experience.
Every SF I have looked at are all different - and as most articles point out, there is a serious lack of documentation. The tones and colors of the natural wood are horrible. All the Walnut strips are different shades and grains. When I was reading "The Anatomy of Admiral Style Ships" the author wrote about his frustrations on plans that were lacking detail and being so incomplete that I think he had to find another ship to build.

I don't want to come across negative, I am just putting this out there to help folks think about how to "avoid" my pitfalls.
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