Build Log: Panart Armed Pinnace

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Re: Build Log: Panart Armed Pinnace

Post by paulv1958 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:06 am

great job
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Re: Build Log: Panart Armed Pinnace

Post by zoly99sask » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:13 am

Nice planking Graham!!

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Re: Build Log: Panart Armed Pinnace

Post by Graham » Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:34 pm

Thanks guys; thanks John for the information on brass blackening, much appreciated.
Hi Popeye. As noted earlier in this log, frames 2 to 6 are removed when planking is complete and what you are left with is effectively an open boat. The reason for the triple planking is, therefore, to give the hull some integral strength in the absence of those frames.

In fact it is time to turn her over and see what the inside looks like. This is as it was at the completion of hull planking –
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....... and with the temporary formers removed. Those frames which I part cut through (see start of this log) snapped out very easily, so I guess that idea worked out (for a change). Also, applying candle wax to the frame edges did the trick and stopped the planking adhering to them.
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As you can see, the CA has leeched a little as I expected –
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...........but it cleaned up pretty good, so we’ll see how it takes a stain - still pondering colours on that.
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Re: Build Log: Panart Armed Pinnace

Post by Graham » Wed Jun 28, 2017 1:01 pm

I did a trial fit of the decking today -
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You know when you get that feeling that things are going just a bit too well? Have a look at this –
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This is the fore deck and it is a country mile off. It sits on frame 1 and all that needs to be done to the frames is to obviously chamfer them to take the lay of the planking, not take a bandsaw to them! This bit of deck gets planked over anyway, so I’ll cut another one.

Similarly the main deck profile is off at the front end. The instructions do not say to plank this deck, but I was going to anyway, so I will plank longer than the template and shape as necessary.
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...... and the rear deck is out, too. Ah well, all fixable with a bit of fettling, but still disappointing. Think I’ll write a blues slide guitar number for Donnie and myself called ‘Them Low Down Panart Model Builder Blues’.

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Re: Build Log: Panart Armed Pinnace

Post by GaryM » Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:30 pm

The older kits that were modified before 2000, seem to have been done right and were modified when they first started doing laser cutting with photo etched parts. The newer ones that got modified seem to have not been assembled by the company to see if the changes worked. Thus, the problems you and Donnie have seem to be a result of the new people that now run Mantua and do not check for correctness. The ones that have been revised with the step by step instruction and pictures of each step, like the Sovereign are the only ones that seem to be correct.
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Re: Build Log: Panart Armed Pinnace

Post by Graham » Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:48 am

Interesting, Gary, thanks. There was a debate on SoS a little while ago regarding kits and my input to it was that manufacturers should give a few examples to forums like ours and look for feedback. However, that would inevitably result in additional cost to them (drawing updates, CNC programming updates, material changes etc) so it is a lot cheaper to let poor sods like us work it out for ourselves. As the saying goes - 'You pays your money and takes your choice'. Or probably more appropriately - 'If you can't take a joke you shouldn't have joined'.

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Re: Build Log: Panart Armed Pinnace

Post by donfarr » Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:32 am

I Agree with you Graham, have tried to get some manufacturers to join our group and here sugestions, NO LUCK, ONLY DAVE STEVENS FROM THE LUMBERYARD HAS COMENTED MANY TIME explaing things that maufacturers can and can not do. THANKS Don

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Re: Build Log: Panart Armed Pinnace

Post by zoly99sask » Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:16 pm

Here are the official facebook page for Mantua and the mantua facebook group,on eitherr of them you leave a comment,suggestion or feedback.Personally I am really disappointed of the quality of the Mantua kits.

https://www.facebook.com/mantuamodelmodellismo/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/134599681255/

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Re: Build Log: Panart Armed Pinnace

Post by Graham » Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:17 pm

Thanks for taking the time to post those links, Zoltan.
Call me old fashioned, but I don't want to join Facebook (again) and get bombarded with all that junk maiI; I doubt Mantua would take any notice anyway. Rather I will keep what I hope is a good build log here on SoS for the benefit of future builders as I think most people do tend to check if anyone has built that particular model before they buy it. Maybe Mantua will read this log! Yeah, right. Cheers.

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Re: Build Log: Panart Armed Pinnace

Post by Graham » Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:23 pm

On with the decking. This is the main deck -
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I have planked longer at the front end in order to take up the gap shown in earlier shots and glued pieces along the edge to support it so that it will take some sanding. This is the underside -
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Sanded and fitted-
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Upstand at the end in place -
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Second deck trial fit -
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You will note that the interior of the hull is now stained (dark oak oil based stain) and I will get a few coats of lacquer on it to protect it from any future blobs of glue and dust. If you plank the main deck (it's not supposed to be) you will run out of planks (as I have), but luckily the local model shop had something similar which I can use to finish the decking.

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