Mantua Sergal's Le Soleil Royal

I am looking forward to buying this kit then. Hopefully before too long, but must first get the CC balances down somewhat. I am still paying on the five or six kits that I purchased about two years ago, and one was $1,200.00 for the OcCre Nuestra Senora del Pilar from Model Expo, about TWO days before they put it on sale for less than $800.00.......

Then I REALLY, REALLY should try to finish at least one of my six kits in process huh??
 
To due the kit properly, I would finish as many of the advanced kits as possible before attempting this one. I plan on completing the Soleil and Soverign before starting the Felipe. With this size of ship and at this scale, any errors will be noticeable. The second planking is done with 0.5 mm thick 4 mm by 12 mm short strips.
 
The side area is open but will have another wall like that above but with different decorations. The door is finished as is but will be behind this wall. If you look at the back of the ship, you can see that another level goes underneath the current levels and is carried around the sides like the one I just put on. I know it can not be seen well, but the floor and walls are planked with 0.5 mm thick by 3 mm wide walnut planks prior to the decorations being installed.
 
I thought I would show how all the walls are planked. Even the walls that have to be seen with a flashlight are planked, but in the vertical direction. This will be the third tier inside wall and floor on the stern. The backside, after it is painted and the decorations are added is even hard for me to tell that it was planked. This piece is 16.2 cm long and the planks are 3 mm wide. Even without this piece, you can see why there is over 3,000 parts on the ship.
Of course, the bulkheads where the cannons come through is triple planked as was all warship of this era.
 
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It does look like a very nicely manufactured kit and it is a smaller scale than the Panart kit. The biggest problem is being patient while getting the money together to purchase it.

BTW, your Soleil Royal is looking good also, I will reference this build log a lot when I get that kit and watch your SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS build log when you start that.
 
Thanks for the complement.

The Sovereign box is on top of the Amerigo Vespucci box in the picture. The San Felipe is two boxes and is actually larger and heavier than either of those. The San Felipe being in two boxes makes it deceiving.

When you attempt to build the Soleil, the deck is not continued to the ship sides for the dummy cannon. Thus, to make them equal distance out, you will have to use different depth of wood blocks fillers to fill in the gap between the deck. Since they follow an arc, I would add vertical 10 mm thick wood along the top and bottom of the false deck. Had I know that this design was so bad at the planking stage, I would have done that and saved myself some time and headaches, plus the cannons would have sturdy mounts instead of the precarious mounts I had to figure out.

Since the Sovereign is probably made the same way, I will do this when I make it. The other Mantua ships I built, like the Couronne, Astrolabe, Constitution and the like did not have this problem.
 
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Yes, the Ingermanland does look impressive and a good size. I have my hands full with my current backlog and want to do the HMS Victory after finishing the 4 I have in waiting. Who know what they will do next. However, if they come out with a 1:50 model of the HMS Prince, that would take over my precedence.
 
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Museum quality?
The ship just did not seem right the more I looked at it and added detail. Thus, I started comparing it to the museum model. The side angle of the stern was 10 degrees on the museum model, 14 on mine. The extended 3 decks were to have the same angle. The side walkways on the stern galleries were slanted forward about 8 degrees on the museum model and Mantua shows them to around 30 degrees. I made mine 10 degrees and things still did not seem right. My last cannon on the main deck was still about 12 mm to low when compared with the museum models.
Checking further. I found that the main gun deck in the middle was to low also. Going forward to the bow, the same thing was true. This explains why the forecastle deck has such a sway in it. It should be about 15 mm higher. This also, explains why the last deck in the stern have such as strong rake that it would be almost impossible to walk on when the ship was underway. There is two versions of the trim on the back and I chose the one that seems logical and seems to be the one that would best fit the kit design, which is different than the Mantua version. The back window was also raised and relocated closer to the the galleries like all the museum models.
Mantua shows that there were 15 guns on the main deck, one of which would shoot through the side stern wall of the gallery. It also shows 15 on the next lower deck, which would do the same thing. The museum models have 14 guns on the all three gun decks.
What does all this mean? Because of the casting and detail that this Mantua model contains, it is a museum quality model but is not museum worthy and does matter how good you assemble the model. However, it still is a very nice simulation and makes a marvelous model.
Other discrepancies.
I already mentioned the omission of the stern gallery inside wall decorations. The cast rope x decorations are located wrong and there are not enough of them. The fleur de Lis are incorrectly cast and there are not enough of these either. There was also fleur de Lis on the cannon port doors that are exposed when the ports are open. There is not enough trim material to decorate the area and I had to purchase and extra 1000 mm piece. The supports for the lanterns on the each side had gold decorations and these are not included. The cannon ports in the back were stated as being 12 by 20 mm. The museum models differ, but indication is more like 12 by 12 or 12 by 15 mm. The gratings are out of scale and had to be replaced (typical in almost all kits). Also, typical of most kits, only a couple of sizes of block and deadeyes were included. There are only 3 sizes of rigging line, 0.5 mm, 1.0 mm and 1.75 mm.
One model indicates that the deadeye were the older style heart shape deadeyes. Some countries supposedly discontinued these in the earlier part of the previous century. However, when changes occurred, countries adopted these changes slower than others. Thus, even though unlikely, there might be a reason this vessel used the older style.
Current stage
At this time, I have spent 950 hours constructing this vessel and it contains over 3,400 pieces.

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With all the different curves and angles that converge, the construction is challenging and can easily become a real mess in a hurray.
If I did not have pictures of the museum models and an article by one of the builders, I would probably have really screwed up the galleries. However, I would not have got frustrated with the kits errors and would have blissfully built a nice model in my ignorance.
On the other hand, with this knowledge, I will build a lot better model that will look better, will be more balanced and closer to the real ship.
 
Thanks, Sjors. Very kind words and it does amaze you when you sit back and look at what you have created. However, we are our worse critics and sometimes have trouble looking beyond the errors we see when we look at our work. Thanks for the encouragement.
Glad you liked the Ages of Sail site. Being able to see everything before you buy is such a treat. He has only been open for about a year but is doing great since he carries everything in stock.
 
Finished another deck. That just leaves the poop, forecastle and bow decks to finish. The rudder will complete everything on the body of the ship except the cannon port doors. Like in the real ship, the gun port doors will be planked on both sides and will have hinges. This will be the last item done before starting the masts and rigging items. There are exactly 3,500 pieces used so far.

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Some of the flaws I mentioned will become lost in the maze of detail on the ship. She is an interesting build and like Sjors said, it is incredible when you think that you made this out of wood.
 
HI Gary

Finally I got some time to see Your build, looks great. This last picture shows Your dedication. Do You on the end varnish?
Now I start some preparation for making a place for make decorations for my build. I never do thet and I hope I can do it.

Good luck in the future work.

Barba
 
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Thanks Barba.
Once I am finished with and area, I varnish any unfinished wood with Minwax polyurethane clear semi-gloss. It brings out the wood grain very nicely.
 
The fleur de Lis from Mantua did not look like fleur de Lis so I order a set from Amati. Theirs are incredible photo etched items that you almost need a magnifing glass to see the leaves.
I m posting 2 photos of the finished the forecastle deck and will be doing the bow area next.

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Thanks Anja and Popeye. The Fleur de Lis are 5 mm and will go on the cannon port doors after the doors are planked. Thus, the size is perfect. They come in a package of 100. 62 will be used on the doors and 38 are used to decorate the ships side.
 
Bow deck completed. Only unfinished deck now is the poop. Mantua showed the steps leading up to the forecastle as single. All the other references show that they were of two parts with the top piece being longer and wider than the supporting piece.
The door for the cannons are planked on both sides with three strips of 0.5 by 3 mm wide planks which is the correct way for this era. They were painted red for the perimeter and inside wall and the color of the surrounding walls so they match when the doors are closed down. Note the Fleur de Lis on the inside door walls.
The heads were for officers only.

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