SPANISH GALLEON XVII

ramonolivenza

Well-Known Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2018
Messages
81
Points
53

#1
This project consists of the execution of a Spanish galleon from the first third of the 17th century.
For some time I had intended to make a model of a galleon, however, had been postponing it in time, always crossing some other project.
However, as a result of my attendance at the International Modeling Congress of Rochefort, I decided to start it as soon as possible. The main reason is that, curiously, despite the popularity and general attraction that accompanies the Spanish galleon, there was not a single model of a Spanish galleon in that Congress. I think it's a gap that needs to be filled.
It is not surprising that such absence, since in general terms, there are very few galleons of a certain quality, I do not say already in racket, that can be found. There are, in effect, kits of some but all suffer from the limitations of the assembly kits.
 

ramonolivenza

Well-Known Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2018
Messages
81
Points
53

#2
The project will start from the plans of the plane executed by D.Luis Fariña Figueira, naval engineer, and was the result of an investigation that was made in the Naval Museum of Madrid about the galleon San Pelayo de Menedez de Avilés, I emphasize the fact that the traces of this plane are only a starting point, in any case, said traces agree almost perfectly with the provisions of the ordinances of 1613, so they are fully usable. The model will be in bower and for the elaboration of the internal structures I will follow other sources that, in a moment, I will specify.
 

ramonolivenza

Well-Known Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2018
Messages
81
Points
53

#4
For the execution of this Project, I will rely on the following sources of documentation:

1 “Galeones Españoles de XVII” de Cayetano Hormaechea, Isidro Rivera y Manuel Derquí.

2 “Los Barcos Oceánicos en el Atlántico Ibérico en los Siglos XVI y XVII” de Cayetano Hormaechea. Accesible en academia.edu

3 “Arquitectura de la Naos y Galeones de la Carrera de Indias” de Jose Luis Rubio Serrano

4 “La Aportación de la Peninsula Iberíca a la Tecnologia Naval... 1570-1620” Thesis Doctoral, Ricardo Visier

5 “Mirada a las Naos Vascas del XVI”, Jose Maria Perona.

6 “Disquisiciones Naúticas”, Cesareo Fernandez Duro

7 Ordenanzas de Naos y Galeones de 1613 y 1618

_visd_0000JPG005F0.jpg 51nikexJZwL._SX363_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg descarga.jpg IMG_20181126_084752.jpg
 

ramonolivenza

Well-Known Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2018
Messages
81
Points
53

#5
In this project I try to correct a very generalized error. Almost all the models of galleons with frames in sight, suffer from a serious defect: they are not executed with the own method of the naval construction of the XV-XVII centuries, that is to say the procedure of varenga-genol, but they are executed with co-ordinated frames, when this method was only introduced in France in the late seventeenth century (eg the work of Dumahel) and only later was adopted in England and much later in Spain and well into the eighteenth century
 

zoly99sask

Well-Known Member
Staff member
Administrative
Moderator
Blandford Group Build
Joined
Apr 13, 2015
Messages
2,377
Points
113

#6
What is going to be the scale of this project?
 

Uwek

Well-Known Member
Staff member
Moderator
Blandford Group Build
Joined
Dec 25, 2017
Messages
4,323
Points
113

Location
Vienna, Austria
#8
You are a real restless modeler. Good for us, so we will have already the chance of a new interesting building log.....great. And very interesting project.
 

Maarten

Well-Known Member
Joined
Sep 10, 2017
Messages
714
Points
93

Location
The Netherlands
#9
In this project I try to correct a very generalized error. Almost all the models of galleons with frames in sight, suffer from a serious defect: they are not executed with the own method of the naval construction of the XV-XVII centuries, that is to say the procedure of varenga-genol, but they are executed with co-ordinated frames, when this method was only introduced in France in the late seventeenth century (eg the work of Dumahel) and only later was adopted in England and much later in Spain and well into the eighteenth century
Hi Ramon,

Nice project, looking forward to it. Guess varenga genol is a skin first methode of building?
 

ramonolivenza

Well-Known Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2018
Messages
81
Points
53

#10
Hi Ramon,

Nice project, looking forward to it. Guess varenga genol is a skin first methode of building?
Not the "skin first" method has nothing to do with it. This method is typical of the Dutch galleons (and Swedish, such as VASA) but was not used in Spain.
Varenga (in English "floor timber") Genol (futtock) is a method in which each floor timber is attached to its first futtock, and so on, to cover the entire hull of the boat. There really are no individualized and separate frames.
The frames method of the XVIII, each frame is a separate unit and between them there are empty spaces ("clara" in Spanish)
 

zoly99sask

Well-Known Member
Staff member
Administrative
Moderator
Blandford Group Build
Joined
Apr 13, 2015
Messages
2,377
Points
113

#13
Ramon,is the spanish galleon has any building similarties with the flamish galleon?
 

ramonolivenza

Well-Known Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2018
Messages
81
Points
53

#14
Few. The construction method is very different. The Dutch galleon is built skin first, that affects the entire internal architecture. The Spanish galleon was a floating fortress, the Flemish was lighter and more agile. From the aesthetic point of view they are also different, Spanish is more sober in decoration. The biggest coincidence is the little draft since both had to face the same problem: shallow waters, in Holland and in Sanlucar de Barrameda.
 

ramonolivenza

Well-Known Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2018
Messages
81
Points
53

#19
The three pieces of keel come to be equivalent, to scale, to about fifteen meters each, it is a considerable measure. At present it is already difficult to find this measure in the oaks of the forests of northern Spain, according to experts say over twelve meters is already complicated by the birth of the branches etc.
One of the characteristics of the keels of Spanish galleons is that the keel segments are not joined by escarpments, but go to the top with each other. The bonding of the whole takes place by means of the keelson, the claps, "albaola" etc.
This procedure was mandatory according to the ordinances of 1613 and characteristic of Spanish ships. The reason for being of the same is that it favored the tightness. For this purpose, a pin was also introduced into the joint, just below the joist to increase this waterproofing. In my model is included
 
Top