This is supremely excellent work, Paul. So CLEAN and tidy, with detail that can capture you for hours, looking at all the parts.
Don't let it fall off the table.
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Don't let it fall off the table.
Good morning Paul. No comment.......
. Too freaking good my friend.
It is something of a dilemma I think, sails, no sails, or something in between. I tried to find guidance on this subject with my Bluenose schooner a short while ago and, given my then fear of sails, I guess I was hoping for someone to tell me not to bother. Further reading however led me to believe that the general consensus was sails for fore-and-aft-rigged ships, no sails for square-rigged ships, while furled sails, done properly (whatever that means), is a nice addition either side of the equation.
In the end I added sails to my schooner and was not sorry that I did as it may have looked quite bare otherwise, like the woodlands of the Catskill Mountains along the I87 in mid-winter. There is the danger of course that sails obscure the rigging you worked so hard to achieve, and a blank white sail might not provide as much joy to the finished product as a complex network of lines, blocks and tackle, even if it is just to remind you of the blood, sweat and tears your model reduced you to. Ultimately, however, I think you need to do what you think is best, whatever that might be. Good luck Paul
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Thank you, Mark. Your thoughts align precisely with mine.It is something of a dilemma I think, sails, no sails, or something in between. I tried to find guidance on this subject with my Bluenose schooner a short while ago and, given my then fear of sails, I guess I was hoping for someone to tell me not to bother. Further reading however led me to believe that the general consensus was sails for fore-and-aft-rigged ships, no sails for square-rigged ships, while furled sails, done properly (whatever that means), is a nice addition either side of the equation.
In the end I added sails to my schooner and was not sorry that I did as it may have looked quite bare otherwise, like the woodlands of the Catskill Mountains along the I87 in mid-winter. There is the danger of course that sails obscure the rigging you worked so hard to achieve, and a blank white sail might not provide as much joy to the finished product as a complex network of lines, blocks and tackle, even if it is just to remind you of the blood, sweat and tears your model reduced you to. Ultimately, however, I think you need to do what you think is best, whatever that might be. Good luck Paul
- Mark
Good afternoon Paul....I think you should most definitely do sails... you will always have that nagging, unanswered question every time you look at your beautiful Vasa??? No doubt.
Of course You will,in your detailed and concise manner, post (and have a 100 debating fellow members guiding and questioning) an exact guide how to make lovely sails for my reference should I choose sails
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Anything for you Grant...Good afternoon Paul....I think you should most definitely do sails... you will always have that nagging, unanswered question every time you look at your beautiful Vasa??? No doubt.
Of course You will,in your detailed and concise manner, post (and have a 100 debating fellow members guiding and questioning) an exact guide how to make lovely sails for my reference should I choose sails
Ahh, here we go again... schade.All the sails on the Sovereign except the royals will be rigged, but the main sail will be furled to allow better view of the deck, just like Doris' model. Paul will probably choose a sail arrangement that allows a good view of all the details also.
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All the sails on the Sovereign except the royals will be rigged, but the main sail will be furled to allow better view of the deck, just like Doris' model. Paul will probably choose a sail arrangement that allows a good view of all the details also.
Of course!Just joking
Me too!
But seriously, the conflict between rigging full sails and not being able to see all the deck details remains a constant issue. My first ship had fully deployed sails, and although there was some loss of viewing access to the deck, rotating the yardarms as if the wind was from the port quarter did allow view of different parts of the deck from one side of the ship or the other. It also had the advantage of showing how all the running rigging functioned. When you take the sails off the yards and stow them below, the sheets, clewlines and bowlines are stored in a configuration that does not reveal what the lines are supposed to do, and they look confusing.
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Hi Paul,
Well what to say. I am so impressed with your Vasa build, the incredible attention to detail and fine workmanship. I’ve also noticed the ease with which you now use the terminology of yesteryear for the various parts of the ship, rigging etc. Your expanding knowledge of the seafarers vocabulary is equally impressive.
I’ll not ask about the seafarers use of common profanities though.
Well what to say. I am so impressed with your Vasa build, the incredible attention to detail and fine workmanship. I’ve also noticed the ease with which you now use the terminology of yesteryear for the various parts of the ship, rigging etc. Your expanding knowledge of the seafarers vocabulary is equally impressive.
I’ll not ask about the seafarers use of common profanities though
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Being a former sailor myself, I could give you a crash course. . .I’ll not ask about the seafarers use of common profanities though
Been there, heard that
I like your line of thinking, here. I also like the presentation of a ship under partial sail because of all of the reasons you cite, and also because a ship wore numerous conditions of sail and partial sail calls attention to that fact much more clearly than full-sail.
Your paint work is truly extraordinary, and it deserves to have the highest level of attention paid to it.
Our club president, Dan Pariser, discusses the overall quality of a model in terms of the collective effort at scale and attention to correct detail; in summary - it won't always be exactly right, but an honest effort to strike upon the correctness of scale and detail will amalgamate into an overall presentation of correctness. More briefly - sometimes, in the absence of irrefutable sources - the best educated guess is right, if it looks right.
You are performing well-above that standard, Paul. Your ship doesn't resemble a kit in any way.
Might I suggest my apartment
Sorry for the joke, if it's already redundant; just catching up, here. But seriously - my apartment! You and your family can visit any time, naturally.
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Looking so good Paul, now I have an impossible standard to follow, in fact do you wanna come and do my rigging once your done (oh bring your ropes too)
Hello Friends,
Having temporarily set aside the installation of backstays, rigging work continued on the ties and halyards.
But first, I was asked via PM to provide a bit more detail on what I have been calling top ropes. As I understand it, these ropes were used to raise the upper mast segments. I chose to rig them as entirely removable once the topmast (or topgallant) was raised, and as a fairly simple affair (my research uncovered all kinds of increasingly complicated configurations...).
Two eyebolts are attached to the underside of the mast cap. I added a hook to the end of the rope - ran the rope down and through a sheave at the foot of the mast - back up through a block on the other side - and then down to the deck. Here are a few images:
On the foremast the top rope runs through the knighthead at the base of the mast and then would have been run to the capstan on the weather deck (and in my interpretation taken down after the mast was hauled into position). On the main mast the top rope passed through the weather deck to a lower deck where it would also have been run to a capstan. I'll show some of that in a moment.
On the mizzen, since the topmast is lighter, I simply rigged a tackle to an eyebolt on the deck at the foot of the mast. I have also seen this rigged to an eyebolt mounted on the mast itself (as well as to a cleat on the mast). The mizzenmast of the Vasa was never recovered so it's all just conjecture.
Here is the working end of the mizzen top rope:
Now on to ties and halyards. First of all, I should have rigged these before I did shrouds. Access was quite limited making what should have been an easy task very challenging (no yards have been attached - this is just roughed in at this point).
Here is the overall view at the foremast:
And now a few images of how I did the halyard at the foremast:
In the image above, the four sheaved knighthead should actually have a carved head on it like the others. Sadly, the head that belongs here disappeared in my garage months and months ago when I was cutting it off the unusable casting that came with the kit...
The line running through the fourth sheave (on the far right) is the top rope. It would have run to the capstan, but I just left it laying there.
And now at the main:
Notice how the stay has been offset on the mast - this is actually correct, not sloppy work on my part. You can see how the halyards simply pass through an opening in the deck. The seventh rope is the top rope.
And finally, here are a few images of what is happening up top with the ties (tyes?)...
Thank you very much for stopping by! I'm so happy I found this forum and all of you. This would be lonely business without a few folks walking alongside me...
Having temporarily set aside the installation of backstays, rigging work continued on the ties and halyards.
But first, I was asked via PM to provide a bit more detail on what I have been calling top ropes. As I understand it, these ropes were used to raise the upper mast segments. I chose to rig them as entirely removable once the topmast (or topgallant) was raised, and as a fairly simple affair (my research uncovered all kinds of increasingly complicated configurations...).
Two eyebolts are attached to the underside of the mast cap. I added a hook to the end of the rope - ran the rope down and through a sheave at the foot of the mast - back up through a block on the other side - and then down to the deck. Here are a few images:
On the foremast the top rope runs through the knighthead at the base of the mast and then would have been run to the capstan on the weather deck (and in my interpretation taken down after the mast was hauled into position). On the main mast the top rope passed through the weather deck to a lower deck where it would also have been run to a capstan. I'll show some of that in a moment.
On the mizzen, since the topmast is lighter, I simply rigged a tackle to an eyebolt on the deck at the foot of the mast. I have also seen this rigged to an eyebolt mounted on the mast itself (as well as to a cleat on the mast). The mizzenmast of the Vasa was never recovered so it's all just conjecture.
Here is the working end of the mizzen top rope:
Now on to ties and halyards. First of all, I should have rigged these before I did shrouds. Access was quite limited making what should have been an easy task very challenging (no yards have been attached - this is just roughed in at this point).
Here is the overall view at the foremast:
And now a few images of how I did the halyard at the foremast:
In the image above, the four sheaved knighthead should actually have a carved head on it like the others. Sadly, the head that belongs here disappeared in my garage months and months ago when I was cutting it off the unusable casting that came with the kit...
The line running through the fourth sheave (on the far right) is the top rope. It would have run to the capstan, but I just left it laying there.
And now at the main:
Notice how the stay has been offset on the mast - this is actually correct, not sloppy work on my part. You can see how the halyards simply pass through an opening in the deck. The seventh rope is the top rope.
And finally, here are a few images of what is happening up top with the ties (tyes?)...
Thank you very much for stopping by! I'm so happy I found this forum and all of you. This would be lonely business without a few folks walking alongside me...