Rib assembly

Just got zhl la Salamandre but having trouble. Can anyone tell me how to make the ribs I have an idea but not sure I’m right thanks in advance

I've not built the kit you have, but here is a picture of how I built the frames for my HMS Enterprise.
I had prints of each individual frames. Put the frame drawing on the work bench and covered it with clear "saran wrap" and built on top of the drawing so I can make sure the frame stays flat. I hope that helps ! Actually, here the frame plan and the saran wrap are put on small glass sheets. I just put it on the bench later on.

There are drawings and models of bomb vessels on the RMG Collections website that you might find helpful.
Allan

Here are some pictures of the Kit at the ZHL website.
It looks like the ribs are one piece, and are assembled in a jig.

It certainly helps Corsair thank you for sharing your knowledge and time

AllanKP69 said:

There are drawings and models of bomb vessels on the RMG Collections website that you find helpful.
Allan

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Thank you very much I appreciate it

AllanKP69 said:

There are drawings and models of bomb vessels on the RMG Collections website that you find helpful.
Allan

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Thanks for the help

TheGatzby said:

It looks like the ribs are one piece, and are assembled in a jig.

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I am pretty sure the only ribs on a ship in the days of sail were in the cooking and eating areas Every frame, with the exception of those in the dead flat, are different so there would have to be dozens of jigs. They are easily assembled using drawings of each frame as a guide. Just be sure the parts are all laid flat and butted against each other for the initial assembly and when adding the chocks.
Allan

One tip: when assembling parts of the ribs on the plan, use a tiny amount of glue underneath the part facing the plan when positioning it. That way it will stay put while you assemble. I use hide glue which have very low water content and won't deform the piece while drying. In addition, it can be either sand or wash away with damp cloth later.

AllanKP69 said:

Every frame, with the exception of those in the dead flat, are different so there would have to be dozens of jigs.

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Alan, unless we are talking about a different kit, the frames ( @Hoppy called them ribs, so i was trying to address the poster ) of the ZHL la Salamandre appear to come in one laser cut piece.


See my link above. https://www.zhlmodel.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=216
And the image of the building jig.

Loracs said:

I use hide glue which have very low water content and won't deform the piece while drying. In addition, it can be either sand or wash away with damp cloth later.

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Hot ethanol completely denatured hide glue protein for me.
Hide glue flakes are 66% water when hydrated and heated.
Franklin is probably that or more along with the urea. Very low tack when I used it.
Old Brown may have less water than Franklin because it wants to be warm when applied,

Best Test is easier for me. Coat both surfaces - let dry -instant grab - my thumb rolls it off wood.

TheGatzby said:

appear to come in one laser cut piece.

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That sure saves a ton of work. Are they plywood, particle board or plain wood slabs?

Alan, I don't have the kit. You would have to ask @Hoppy

Thank you guys. This is a great community and I can’t tell you all how helpful everyone was. Thanks again

Corsair said:

I've not built the kit you have, but here is a picture of how I built the frames for my HMS Enterprise.
I had prints of each individual frames. Put the frame drawing on the work bench and covered it with clear "saran wrap" and built on top of the drawing so I can make sure the frame stays flat. I hope that helps ! Actually, here the frame plan and the saran wrap are put on small glass sheets. I just put it on the bench later on.
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Hello Corsair,
I really like your setup approach by using saran wrap, I wish I had seen this post before I started my setup, would have made my life easier, especially as I made my own drawings for a Mid Section model scale of 1:250.
I've attached 3 pictures, showing in part the frame / futtock drawing, an assembly jig and a forming jig (which did not workout all that well, although I used to rough form the futtocks) The other pictures show an assembly progression. One picture shows the Stir Sticks used. The jigs were made from scrap wood, hence their appearance. Spacing between futtocks was made consistent by placing toothpicks on the keel and on each side of the assembly jig. This worked out quite well, as I also framed the keel position within the assembly jig. I used paper white glue mostly, worked very well on planking the hull and orlop deck. I used instant glue on the jigs and assembly og the futtocks (which were two stir sticks thick... 0.030 inches each. The model / keel is 2.00 long, and across midship is 4.2 on the Quarter Deck and 4.5 at the Water line (LWL). Currently working on a jig for the 12 gun carrages.
With Cosair's posting and my reply I hope more members will share their technical ideas, we can learn so much from one anther. Cheers Richard.

After several of making those frames, I got tired of attaching the frame plan and the saran wrap to the glass sheet.
I taped a large piece of saran wrap directly to my work bench and was able to slide the frame plans in and out. It make for quicker builds, but took up more space.