Baltic Trader (Swedish Schooner 1912) the Helene

[Dr Syn]

morning all - I have just seen a Baltic Trader (Swedish Schooner 1912) the Helene , she's at Glasson Dock. I would quite like to build a model and was given permission to measure up some of the deck layout etc. I would like the underwater profile but can't find anything on the web. There is a youtube series of a Danish one nearly identical, The Anne Moller

Does anyone have a screen shot of the lines of this type of schooner, there does seem to be loads of pictures of restorations in the baltic but no underwater profiles
Regards
Mick

 

[AndyA]

I would like the underwater profile but can't find anything on the web.

Try to contact the organization responsible for the restoration shown in the video. They would have drawings. If that fails, there are rough drawings of the Helene at: https://tshelene.uk/about
Those drawings give you the profile, the sheer, and the waterline. Those, combined with the view of the underbody of the Moller when she is hauled out in the video, would allow you to draw a good approximation of her lines.
As an aside, these vessels do not look like schooners to my American eye. The masts are too far aft and are about equal size. American schooners have masts farther forward and the main (aftermost) mast is significantly larger than the fore mast. Same for the mainsail and foresail. They look somewhere between a schooner and a ketch. Fair winds!

 

[Dr Syn]

Thanks Andy , it's probably the way schooners were built in the Baltic. I'll try and get in touch with the organisations, in the meantime I'll try and remember what I was taught about drawing and put it in FreeCad.
Cheers
Mick

 

[AndyA]

As an aside, these vessels do not look like schooners to my American eye. The masts are too far aft and are about equal size. American schooners have masts farther forward and the main (aftermost) mast is significantly larger than the fore mast. Same for the mainsail and foresail. They look somewhere between a schooner and a ketch.

I did a little more research and found an article on Wikipedia referring to this type of vessel as a galeas:

Galeas - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It says that a Swedish galeas could be rigged as a schooner or a ketch. As is often the case in nautical nomenclature, a word can describe a rig, a hull, a use, or some combination of those. To further confuse the matter, terms mean different things in different parts of the world at different times. Fair winds!

 

[AndyA]

There is a Finish replica galeas built in 1988 as a training vessel. Behold the Albunus.

Galeasen Albanus – Skeppsföreningen Albanus r.f.

albanus.ax

 

[Dr Syn]

Thanks Andy, galeas seems to be spelt different in some of the Baltic countries, same as schoner (schooner)

 

[Pele]

I spent some time on th Helene and can attach a few pics of the hull and a drawing (unfortunately upside down).
Her length is 25.54m, width 6.33m, drawing 3m, sail area 350m2.
hope this helps.

 

[Dr Syn]

Thanks for that, I have in fact done the hull and am quite happy with it, my lucky guess doesn't look far out from the photos. Those copper plates look large, I'm use to seeing photos of the 18c warships thousands of little plates. I think I will paint the bottom to look like copper anyway.
Here's what I've done so far with bits of cabin's just laying on. A lot of work to do yet.
The skipper gave me that drawing and what I learnt is if you point your phone at all that Swedish writing, Google will translate it straight away. AI at it's best‍
Thanks
Mick

 

[Kurt Konrath]

How did they keep the water out when sailing sideways!

 

[Kurt Konrath]

Was the prop a later mod or was she originally built with it? Almost looks like they cut part of transom out to install the prop in front of rudder.

 

[AndyA]

I spent some time on th Helene and can attach a few pics of the hull and a drawing (unfortunately upside down).
Her length is 25.54m, width 6.33m, drawing 3m, sail area 350m2.
hope this helps.

Cap'n Pele:
Those are excellent photos! I've seen threads on this site addressing the appropriate colors for coppered bottoms on models. Your photos of the Helene's bottom would provide valuable information in those discussions. Fair winds!

 

[Dr Syn]

I think the engine was installed a few years after she was built.