BN Rudder and Steering Issues

[PT-2]

Here are a few links related to the rudder redesigns and steering issues which have gone from manual to hydraulic systems:

Bluenose II – Days away from sailing

From a design perspective, this project had its challenges: very few people still have the experience working with a such a large wood rudder, and most classification societies have long stopped adapting their rules to account for wood rudders for vessels of this size. For this new rudder, we...

langandesign.com

Saga of the Bluenose II Continues -- Schooner's New Rudder to Cost Another Million

For the last few years, we have followed the sad saga of the “rebuilding” of the schooner Bluenose II. The latest development involves the replacement of the existing steel rudder and steering system at an estimated additional cost of $1 … Continue reading →

www.oldsaltblog.com

and the hydraulic steering system with embedded video and views

Restoration of Bluenose II reaches milestone with hydraulic steering system

The delayed and over-budget Bluenose II restoration project reached a crucial milestone Tuesday when a project manager showed off a newly completed hydraulic steering system that had been the source of many woes.

atlantic.ctvnews.ca

https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/restoration-of-bluenose-ii-reaches-milestone-with-hydraulic-steering-

system-1.2128404https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/restoration-of-bluenose-ii-reaches-milestone-with-hydraulic-steering-

 

[PT-2]

Here are a few links related to the rudder redesigns and steering issues which have gone from manual to hydraulic systems:

Bluenose II – Days away from sailing

From a design perspective, this project had its challenges: very few people still have the experience working with a such a large wood rudder, and most classification societies have long stopped adapting their rules to account for wood rudders for vessels of this size. For this new rudder, we...

langandesign.com

Saga of the Bluenose II Continues -- Schooner's New Rudder to Cost Another Million

For the last few years, we have followed the sad saga of the “rebuilding” of the schooner Bluenose II. The latest development involves the replacement of the existing steel rudder and steering system at an estimated additional cost of $1 … Continue reading →

www.oldsaltblog.com

and the hydraulic steering system with embedded video and views

Restoration of Bluenose II reaches milestone with hydraulic steering system

The delayed and over-budget Bluenose II restoration project reached a crucial milestone Tuesday when a project manager showed off a newly completed hydraulic steering system that had been the source of many woes.

atlantic.ctvnews.ca

https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/restoration-of-bluenose-ii-reaches-milestone-with-hydraulic-steering-

system-1.2128404https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/restoration-of-bluenose-ii-reaches-milestone-with-hydraulic-steering-

Those don't show the video so here I'll try again

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atlantic.ctvnews.ca

 

[PT-2]

Those don't show the video so here I'll try again

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atlantic.ctvnews.ca

Sorry to have wasted your time as my "links" are failures. Puzzled old guy! Rich

 

[PT-2]

Those don't show the video so here I'll try again

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atlantic.ctvnews.ca

If you look closely at the back edge of the Langon Design Rudder it is square. From the book A Spirit Deep Within page 17, Roue is written as correcting the first square edge rudder built by Rueland, the ship builder who said it was the traditional way, "DId you ever see a trout with a square tail?" Rueland then had the rudder revised back to the tapered form that Roue had designed. Detail for success in BN and perhaps to consider for your YQ BN. Rich

 

[Peter Voogt]

Hi Rich,
As I showed in my PM to you, here's "the rudder issue" I found in The Saga.
The angle of the rudder stock / the port along the stern post through the hull, is a few degree different than the back side of the keel.
IMHO: the rudder won't steer: twist.
To pictures I took from the drawing, just for the observation and discussion.
Page 53:

Page 22:

A mistake by L.B. Jenson?
Just an observation.
Regards, Peter

 

[PT-2]

Hi Rich,
As I showed in my PM to you, here's "the rudder issue" I found in The Saga.
The angle of the rudder stock / the port along the stern post through the hull, is a few degree different than the back side of the keel.
IMHO: the rudder won't steer: twist.
To pictures I took from the drawing, just for the observation and discussion.
Page 53:
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Page 22:
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A mistake by L.B. Jenson?
Just an observation.
Regards, Peter

I found the technical report which has diagrams at the end related to the rudder(s) steering mechanisms, and alignment. I am not sure if this will bring the pdf report up for review.
file:///C:/Users/rgmar/AppData/Local/Microsoft/Windows/INetCache/IE/5CEQ2S6A/Bluenose-II-Steering-New-Rudder-Proposal.pdf

Rich

 

[PT-2]

I found the technical report which has diagrams at the end related to the rudder(s) steering mechanisms, and alignment. I am not sure if this will bring the pdf report up for review.
file:///C:/Users/rgmar/AppData/Local/Microsoft/Windows/INetCache/IE/5CEQ2S6A/Bluenose-II-Steering-New-Rudder-Proposal.pdf

Rich

Let me try again attaching the pdf link

 

[PT-2]

Let me try again attaching the pdf link

I apologize for my mis-attempts and this which requires you to open it or save as you desire. I think that the more relevant parts are six and those following. Have fun making your own rudder decisions.
Rich

 

[Peter Voogt]

Thanxs for posting, Rich.
Interersting stuff. But when you see the video with all those hydraulic hoses, switchboard etc. Look every old-fashion
In all the drawing, the angle and direction of the rudder, shaft and the shaft-port are all in line. So, strange in The Saga drawings.
The rudder will not be a problem. The steering mechanisme is a challenge. But I get help.
Regards, Peter

 

[Peter Voogt]

This is the mechanisme. A still from the video you posted.

Regards, Peter

 

[Henk Liebre]

The design from Dean received the steering based on Saga drawing loaded into my 3D CAD Viewer

Planning is that this design will be 3D printed early 2022 together with the Windlass engine

 

[PT-2]

The design from Dean received the steering based on Saga drawing loaded into my 3D CAD Viewer

Planning is that this design will be 3D printed early 2022 together with the Windlass engine

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This level of design and production is as far ahead of hand tools as hands off driving for which I don't have a vehicle (or would trust one). These printed parts will make an impressive schooner. Rich (PT-2)