Book abouth the Prins Willem from Herman Ketting.

[JDS73]

My newest book about a ship is the book of Herman Ketting. This book tells all abouth the Prins Willem. a 17th century War (Dutch)and trading ship( VOC) . The book is written in 1976 and can't be bought new.
It took me a little wile to find it.
It tells the history of the ship, how to build it in foots, but also in thumbs for scale modeling in your own scale.
This book tells a lot of history of this ship.
Incl. sailing routs to Batavia, how mutch food they took for a servel months for the crew. And how mutch they get paid per rank.
I bought this book because in a couple of months I start the build of the Prins Willem from Corel. And I'm trying to build this ship historical correct as mutch as I can.
The book is in Dutch language. But for the most of you guys, look at the drawings

 

[Uwek]

The drawings showing the details are very good - mean the explosion sketches -> very informative

I am not 100% sure, if it is the same book, but there is also a german book with 144 pages published 1981 by VEB Hinstorff (the so called blue series)

with title

Prins Willem. Ein Ostindienfahrer des 17. Jahrhunderts​

by Herman Ketting



or another but I do not know the publisher

 

[Steef66]

There is a little difference in the books like pictures of ships in museums. In the blue version they are in the end of the book. The newer version of the book has these picture place through the book. But the info is pretty much the same

 

[JDS73]

The book I've got is the older version and has more pages. I thought 186. When I open the book I smel the history(and the sigarttesmoke from the previous owner)
I've got the digital German version and it is like @Steef66 says.

 

[JDS73]

I do not know the publisher

The Author is "Herman Ketting" and the publisher is "de Boer Matitiem".

Herman Ketting was also the conservator of the state museum(Rijksmuseum) in Amsterdam for more than 10 years.

 

[Hubac’s Historian]

Wonderfull book with fantastic illustrations. I look forward to your build of the PW. I hope that you will start a build-log to chronicle your progress on the model.

 

[JDS73]

I hope that you will start a build-log

Thats the plan.
This book almost tells the whole build of the ship.
And even the 1:1 replica has part build on this book. I sadly haven't the tools to make my own parts so I try to build it historical correct with the parts in the kit and what I can buy in the stores. This will be mij first ship I try to build this way.

But the lasts days I'm a little busy with other things. And my HMS Endeavour has to be done first. I think in abouth 2 mounts I start the build of the Prins Willem.

 

[Momcil]

Dears, I am interested in this book for a future project of the ship from Corel. By the way I live close to Milan where indeed Corel has its headquarters. Do you know if there is the possibility to have an electronic copy of the book?

 

[JDS73]

I have the German version of this book in a e-book.
If you are interested.. send me a PM

 

[Momcil]

Thank you for the support. If you need any information from Corel you can count on me. I can always call them and ask if you have any requests about their products

 

[Capt. Iglo]

In the Rijksmuseum, Amsterdam, we have an antique model of the Prins William. The model was probably build at the same time the original ship was buid on the warfs in the Netherlands. The museum made a very good (large & detailed) photo available, which might be of help for any future building plans. I attach a copy.

 

[Capt. Iglo]

On verifying my contribution I noticed that the size of the photo was reduced (no doubt for thechnical reasons). The original size is 5646 x 4782.
Is it possible to upload the full size to the forum????

 

[Steef66]

You can show the link to the site. But here you can find it too with the William Rex
Post in thread 'New on your bookshelf ..... show it here' https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/threads/new-on-your-bookshelf-show-it-here.4042/post-174045

 

[JDS73]

The book of Herman Ketting is verry detailed. In the book are servel black and wite pictures of this ship. On the website of the museum you can download a nice color photo of this and other Dutch ships they have in the museum.
I contacted the museum a month ago for the original colors of this model but they do not have al color list. Then I contacted the DOC where the replica has build but they don't have al list with the original colors to. They sed: red, black, green, blue but not the specific colors.
So I bought the colors as close as I could from the description of Herman Ketting And serval old models of this ship.

 

[Cirdan]

In the Time Life book on the East Indiamen you can find several pictures in colour of Kettings model (not the original model):





The author is Russell Miller, the english original title is "The East Indiamen". I made the scans many years ago.

 

[Uwek]

On verifying my contribution I noticed that the size of the photo was reduced (no doubt for thechnical reasons). The original size is 5646 x 4782.
Is it possible to upload the full size to the forum????

Our software is reducing automatically to a reasonable size for the host of a forum.
So in such a case we show the photo and add the link where the member can download the attchment.

Here is the link to the model in the Museum

Search - Rijksmuseum

www.rijksmuseum.nl

Many thanks for showing us the model - very interesting is the fact, that the model seems still in the original shape without (often wrong) any restoration works - see the damaged sails

BTW: A warm welcome here on board of our forum

In the Time Life book on the East Indiamen you can find several pictures in colour of Kettings model (not the original model):

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The author is Russell Miller, the english original title is "The East Indiamen". I made the scans many years ago.

also a very interesting model - many thanks for showing

 

[JDS73]

The colors I Bougt



Blue is a little dark blue not deep dark.

In the original model there is also light blue this is not in this list because I already had 2 bottles of Grey(light)blue that's perfect for sky painting.

And in the model is also brown paint but for al thing that must be painted brown is gonna use Danish-oil of varnish

All colors are from Vallejo

Maybe I can help others with this color list
Have fun with it.

A little translate

(St = pieces and "beschikbaar voor directe levering = available for immediate delivery", basis = basic)

 

[Steef66]

In the Time Life book on the East Indiamen you can find several pictures in colour of Kettings model (not the original model):



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The author is Russell Miller, the english original title is "The East Indiamen". I made the scans many years ago.

These pictures are great, never seen them before. They are very near the original model. But completed. The picture of the ropes on the feet of the mast are astonishing accurate to the drawing in the book of Herman Ketting.
Even the topgallant sails are installed on this model.

 

[JDS73]

These pictures are great, never seen them before. They are very near the original model.

That absolutely truth.
I copied them on my phone so I can use them as a reference .

 

[Steef66]

The colors I Bougt

I think there was not much variation in the colors and most of them where cheap to buy. So Red and Blue and real gold where not used.
Read this from the book:

So wurde eine wie Gold aussehende
Vergoldung erhalten, indem eine
ockerfarbige Farbe mit Harz bedeckt wurde.
Wenn die Sonne darauf schien, sah das aus
der Ferne genau wie echtes Gold aus. Durch
diese Sparsamkeit werden die Maler wohl erfinderisch
geworden sein, da entsprechend Beschlüssen,
die von den siebzehn Herren der
V. 0. C. angenommen wurden, nicht mehr als
r6o,- Gulden für die Malerarbeiten verwendet
werden durfl:en, wovon dann noch ein
großer Teil für die Verschönerung der Kajüte
bestimmt war.

Translation:

So became one that looked like gold plated
obtained by a ocher color was covered with resin.
If the sun shine on it, it looked like
from a distance just like real gold. These
painters are become very inventive in saving money with this method.
Because according to the decision of the seventeen lords of the
V. 0. C. were decided that no more than
160 Gulden used for the painting work
be allowed to use, of which a more
large part was used for the beautification of the cabins
was intended.

So they will go for the cheapest colours that where available. The model in the museum got these colours, but if the ship in real was coloured like that? I have my doubt.