Coloring VICTORY

Alexander74

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Colleagues modelers. I am asking you for help and advice. I am building a VICTORI model based on DeAgostini magazines. I read in different books that the ship was repainted at least 3 or 4 times. At the time of the Battle of Trafalgar, the ship was yellow and black. What color were the inner surfaces of the side (bulwark from the inside) starting from the operdeck deck and above. The frames of the gun ports were red? Perhaps someone has pictures, or a photo of how VICTORI looked at the time of the Battle of Trafalgar.
 
Are they still debating what the stern gallery looked like at the time of Trafalgar never mind what her colour scheme was ?
 
Bryian said:
The current colour scheme for Victory is based on scientific research using paint scrapings from the Trafalgar era.
I know a lot of Victory modellers dislike the new colour scheme on the ship, but that appears to be accurate.
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I'm one of the disagrees Bryian. The lab results and methods do not mention degradation due to natural aging, salt water and UV light. All it did was identify pigments by composition. It is far from satisfactory, a half way study with no controls for comparison and no field tests. The new curator, unlike Pete Goodwin, is not a specialist. The ship has a disagreeable dull pink tinge to it, the new boy says he cannot see the pink (perhaps, as an artist, I have a better eye?) but trust me, from up close, it aint pleasant! I accept that the original ochre which had been used since it was dry docked was inaccurate and, in any case, does not tally with the paints carried onboard according to the manifest which Peter had been considering prior to his departing. There may also be some aspects to this that are political (?) There were clashes between the RN and Pete, Victory was still commissioned then with a ship's captain. the new broom that sweeps clean! In the Victory shop opposite the ship the book section has none of Pete's works!? Quite remarkable considering the large amount of his life spent studying Victory and his output which covers all of our book shelves! I make a point of asking for one of his books every time I go to the shop!!! Then I question why they are not stocked!! Anyway, it appears that all Pete's work on the ship's colours at Trafalgar have been ignored and scrapped along with his existence! If you ever have the chance of sharing a jug with him in a Portsmouth hostelry, I wouldn't mention Victory!!!
 
I wonder if the "new boy" who says he cannot see the pink may actually be color blind? Seriously! I have a friend who is colorblind and he is unable to see the pink in his model railroad buildings. He always has his wife check his work. I can definitely see the pink in the new Victory paint colors!
 
Bob Ellis said:
I'm one of the disagrees Bryian. The lab results and methods do not mention degradation due to natural aging, salt water and UV light. All it did was identify pigments by composition. It is far from satisfactory, a half way study with no controls for comparison and no field tests. The new curator, unlike Pete Goodwin, is not a specialist. The ship has a disagreeable dull pink tinge to it, the new boy says he cannot see the pink (perhaps, as an artist, I have a better eye?) but trust me, from up close, it aint pleasant! I accept that the original ochre which had been used since it was dry docked was inaccurate and, in any case, does not tally with the paints carried onboard according to the manifest which Peter had been considering prior to his departing. There may also be some aspects to this that are political (?) There were clashes between the RN and Pete, Victory was still commissioned then with a ship's captain. the new broom that sweeps clean! In the Victory shop opposite the ship the book section has none of Pete's works!? Quite remarkable considering the large amount of his life spent studying Victory and his output which covers all of our book shelves! I make a point of asking for one of his books every time I go to the shop!!! Then I question why they are not stocked!! Anyway, it appears that all Pete's work on the ship's colours at Trafalgar have been ignored and scrapped along with his existence! If you ever have the chance of sharing a jug with him in a Portsmouth hostelry, I wouldn't mention Victory!!!
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Bob Ellis, good afternoon. I agree with your opinion regarding today's ship coloring. It also seems to me that it does not correspond much to the historical colors during Trafalgar. Outside, some semblance of color is possible - yes, but the shades are not the same. And about the coloring of the drift from the inside, I generally doubt very much. Therefore, I created this topic to figure it out. Now Victory is more of a commercial project for tourists than a historical copy.
 
Alexander74 said:
Bob Ellis, good afternoon. I agree with your opinion regarding today's ship coloring. It also seems to me that it does not correspond much to the historical colors during Trafalgar. Outside, some semblance of color is possible - yes, but the shades are not the same. And about the coloring of the drift from the inside, I generally doubt very much. Therefore, I created this topic to figure it out. Now Victory is more of a commercial project for tourists than a historical copy.
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Agreed. It was very different when I worked on the yard in 1975!! The tour guides were in competition with each other to see who could impress with their knowledge the most, happy days! I always say that if Nelson chose those colours either his one eye wasn't working properly or he was blind drunk!
 
Bryian said:
There is a great you-tube video on the Victory ships colour scheme, with scientific results of the original paint scrapings.
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I've seen it hence my comments. My origins are lab based science with experience of method and experimental structure. As I said, no controls and no consideration of the probable variables. It was a job only half done. I don't know if you've seen the new colours on Victory Bryian but when you see it you can't help but question it.
 
Bob Ellis said:
Morning Bryian, And I always thought you had mad staring eyes and a long thin 'tache!!ROTF And the curator says he can't see the pink!! Portsmouth is not impressed my friend!
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Hello Bob,
I understand the new colour scheme is not very popular, but I would not build a Victory model myself, so the colours are irrelevant to me.
 
Bryian said:
Hello Bob,
I understand the new colour scheme is not very popular, but I would not build a Victory model myself, so the colours are irrelevant to me.
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You and me both mate. I always thought it was a bit on the fat side! Still, it makes a good rainy afternoon on the yard. I miss the Festival of the Sea. That was an event well worth visiting.
 
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