Crowsfeet and Euproe blocks on Spanish Warships?

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Hi All

As some of you may know I am building Artesania's Santissima Trinidad. Does anyone know if Crowsfeet and Euproe blocks were used on this vessel. They are not detailed in the kit, but then again there is quite a bit missing from the kit design when you get above the hull.

Occre have the detail on their Montanes kit but is there any substance to that?


I am struggling to find anything definitive, Anderson mentions one paragraph on the subject but does not mention nationalities of the vessels that used this detail plus his book's cut off is 1720, a bit early for Trinidad.

Thanks in advance
 
Hi Nigel,
The curator staff at the Museo Naval de Madrid will probably have the best information.
Allan
 
That is excellent,thankyou Alan !!

May I ask what you put in google to get those pictures?

I know this model existed but have been struggling to find on Google

I see more omissions by Artesania looking at your picture, got to watch out for the " Rabbit hole" here:oops:

Ironically, I had drawings from Crespo's monograph and images of this model saved to an old laptop that died several years ago
 
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In the search bar type model naval Madrid spain. There was a post from Steven b in 2022. It's very good. Half way down page 1 you'll find what you need. Mick
 
NMBROOK said:
I see more omissions by Artesania
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Hi Nigel
They have budgets like everyone else and cannot always address everything if they want to compete with other kit makers in their price range so as a rule it is a good idea to confirm everything they provide with sources based on contemporary information. Regarding the photo I don't remember exactly but I did a search using Spanish ship models Musee Naval Madrid and clicked on images if I remember correctly.
Allan
 
AllanKP69 said:
Hi Nigel
They have budgets like everyone else and cannot always address everything if they want to compete with other kit makers in their price range so as a rule it is a good idea to confirm everything they provide with sources based on contemporary information. Regarding the photo I don't remember exactly but I did a search using Spanish ship models Musee Naval Madrid and clicked on images if I remember correctly.
Allan
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I agree Allan and I would rather add missing details rather than remake half the kit that provides items that are blatantly wrong
 
Nigel, if you allow me to contribute 3 cents worth of knowledge….. The Santisima Trinidad was designed by an Irishman Mathew Mullan and after his death his son Ignacio completed the ship in Havana. It is believed that the construction was based on the English style as that system was being favored by a few Spaniards of the time such as Jorge Juan y Santecilla who after all was responsible for hiring Mullan. I believe the Museo Naval has a period model by Mullan of the Trinidad; how faithful to the actual vessel is a good question. There are several ships draughts that survive of the ship one of them is in US archives as according to Howard Chappell’s writings was used to aid in the design of the USS Pennsylvania and the other drawn by Jose Romero Fernandez de Landa is found at a museum in St Petersburg, Russia. Having said this I would recommend searching for the “Album del Marquez de la Victoria” although a little earlier it brings to light invaluable details of Spanish ship building in graphic detail. This is the model built by Mullan built in 1766 and labeled as the Real Carlos which is believed to be the model of Santisima Trinidad. https://fundacionmuseonaval.com/SEC/museo.html

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