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Dying/darkening white sails

Ok, found an old sleeveless t-shirt (some call it a w*** beater shirt). Cut up small sections, brewed some Twining's Black Tea (Earl Grey & Irish Breakfast) and brew a cup of black coffee from my Keurig K-Cup machine. Let the tea bags steep for around 10 minutes, wetted the pieces and let them soak in each cup for around five minutes. Took them out and gave them all a good rinse and laid them on a paper towel for a bit.
The coffee one came out a nice dark, but when I rinsed it all washed away and was rather light in tone. The teas kept their tones after a rinse, so I'll go with the tea method.
The Earl Grey was a little too light for my liking, but the Irish has a very nice darkened tone to it, so I'll be using that one. Glad I did those tests beforehand.
The picture makes them look darker than they are. Just my limited photo skills with my phones camera. View attachment 555127
Excellent report, great sampling, and a good choice, Irish Black Tea, some years ago I used Canadian Red Rose tea, soaking for about 30 minutes, air dried, then sprayed ironing starch on both sides of the cloth. Then I did the hem stitching. It turned out pretty good, but I admit it came closer to the Earl Grey colouring you have shown.
 
I soaked mine in tea for the Endeavour and they came out like viperR's did. I just completed the Flying dutchman and my wife used a fabric paint for black sails and they came out.....black.
 
Decades ago, as I worked in a department that had drafting units, I was able to lay hands on a roll of drafting linen that was used for laying down profiles using pen and ink. To cut to the chase in this story, the linen itself was coated with some sort of solution (starch based I think) that gave it a light blue tint and a smooth surface texture that responded similarly to mylar for inking purposes. However, that coating was water soluble and by washing in warm, soapy water, could be removed leaving this very, very fine high thread count linen. I like the scale of the cloth for models as it's nearly gossamer thin... and the linen itself after being washed and dried takes on a very nice wrinkled texture.

That's what I've used for any of my models that I had sails on (which I'll confess are very few, as I prefer not to have the rigging and masting details obscured from view). To stain the cloth, I've always relied on soaking the linen in oolong tea, which has very dark tanins. I should have known about the acidic aspect of using tea, but till reading this thread hadn't given it much consideration. So far, I have models that are nearly forty years old, and thankfully not showing any signs of deterioration that I can see. Perhaps after a century or so it may break down, but by then I'll be long gone and it will be someone else's problem.
:)

Push come to shove, I guess if I were making museum quality models intended for a long lifespan, I'd be going with other tinting and staining methods based on the education I've obtained from reading this thread. A deep and sincere thanks to all those who have contributed the informative content regarding sail staining options and considerations. You're never too old to learn, and this has certainly been an education for me. Again, thank you to those who provided that content.
 
Please report back on this as it would be really helpful if they have super high thread count cloth. The highest thread count I have found is high end bedding supposedly approaching1000 TC. I realize this can be deceptive depending on how they do the count. One pillowcase will be enough for a LOT of sails. Even the highest thread count cloth that exists is out of scale for smaller than about 1:24, but it does look much better than the burlap-like junk we see from most kit manufacturers. You may want to consider silkspan. There are videos
and a great $5 booklet (https://seawatchbooks.com/products/...vised-and-expanded-edition-by-david-antscherl) on making realistic sails with this material that you may find useful.
Allan
Watching this video I can't decide if he used two sheets of silkspan or only one. I've used a lot of tissue like paper on stick model airplanes and they called it silkspan. Is this the same stuff or is it different? Pete
 
Ok, found an old sleeveless t-shirt (some call it a w*** beater shirt). Cut up small sections, brewed some Twining's Black Tea (Earl Grey & Irish Breakfast) and brew a cup of black coffee from my Keurig K-Cup machine. Let the tea bags steep for around 10 minutes, wetted the pieces and let them soak in each cup for around five minutes. Took them out and gave them all a good rinse and laid them on a paper towel for a bit.
The coffee one came out a nice dark, but when I rinsed it all washed away and was rather light in tone. The teas kept their tones after a rinse, so I'll go with the tea method.
The Earl Grey was a little too light for my liking, but the Irish has a very nice darkened tone to it, so I'll be using that one. Glad I did those tests beforehand.
The picture makes them look darker than they are. Just my limited photo skills with my phones camera. View attachment 555127
Thanks! That is very helpful.
 
I like that idea of adding wear streaks to the areas that have rope and hardware contact with the sails. Watercolor would be the ticket. I'll have to get one of those inexpensive kids' water coloring books that have the various color tablets that you just wet a brush to make it a liquid form. Probably very cheap at a dollar store. Thanks again guys.
Can't undo the RIT I already done. but I can enhance it some more.
 
Watching this video I can't decide if he used two sheets of silkspan or only one. I've used a lot of tissue like paper on stick model airplanes and they called it silkspan. Is this the same stuff or is it different? Pete
Same material, but I don't know if the weight is the same as on planes. SIG makes it in three weights. If you want to try it, I would also get the $5 booklet by David Antscherl from Seawatch Books. I found a combination of his procedure and those in the video work best for me so you may find some changes that you like as well. '

I have never seen the double layers needed for making sails,,,,,,,, so far...
Allan
 
My thinking too Bob, I used diluted watercolor ink, (I do airbrush art), let it run down to avoid any uniformity all over the sail. (the camera's giving them a pinkish tint).

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Nice one Enjay. I suppose you don't have to be an artist....but if you are...it helps!!
My problem with art and painting is I see it as a job of work, I paint if I need money. Building ships is relaxation.
 
Ok, found an old sleeveless t-shirt (some call it a w*** beater shirt). Cut up small sections, brewed some Twining's Black Tea (Earl Grey & Irish Breakfast) and brew a cup of black coffee from my Keurig K-Cup machine. Let the tea bags steep for around 10 minutes, wetted the pieces and let them soak in each cup for around five minutes. Took them out and gave them all a good rinse and laid them on a paper towel for a bit.
The coffee one came out a nice dark, but when I rinsed it all washed away and was rather light in tone. The teas kept their tones after a rinse, so I'll go with the tea method.
The Earl Grey was a little too light for my liking, but the Irish has a very nice darkened tone to it, so I'll be using that one. Glad I did those tests beforehand.
The picture makes them look darker than they are. Just my limited photo skills with my phones camera. View attachment 555127
 
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Nice one Enjay. I suppose you don't have to be an artist....but if you are...it helps!!
My problem with art and painting is I see it as a job of work, I paint if I need money. Building ships is relaxation.
Bob, I only mentioned the artist part as to why I had water color ink available, ha, not anything to brag about! (In my art, has to be something I have a real interest in, then I look at each new idea as a challenge.)
 
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