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Any tips? Finally finished planking Santa maria. Put stain too many places where glue stains mess up the finish. Any help. Been trying to sand them out. Mostly ca staining
 
To get a better impression about your problem it would be the best to post a photo,
otherwise every hint could be wrong .....
 
If it is CA, the CA glue will penetrate deeply into the wood fibers and you could probably sand through the wood and never get the stain to to be an even color throughout as the stain needs to penetrate the wood and the CA prevents it. The options I can think of off hand would be:
1. Replace the wood that has the CA glue on it (I would imagine this would be a lot of work and cost and not a reasonable option).
2. Use paint instead of stain.
3. Try putting a heavy coat of stain where the CA is on the wood and don't wipe it off right away. Let it dry a little bit to hopefully get the color to sit on top of the stain to match the surrounding area. You will most likely still have areas of uneven color.

I think I would try number 3 first and see how that works out.

I hope that helps. Maybe someone else has some better ideas.
 
Or... Sand off the stained areas, leave unstained and finish with some sort shellac, varnish etc as the CA will "blend" with your chosen finish
 
Hoy mate, Aye this is a tough one. That is the utmost problem with CA glues. We must remember that before the build begins. At this point.... In my opinion, Paint is the quickest and easiest way to solve this. If the problem is on the hull, well your going to have to paint it. Maybe that's why American builders prefer painting vs. staining? (Im kidding...) Give the hull a primer coat then try to mimic the stain color with paint. On the next build, use a traditional woodglue. Which one? I'm not sure? Test it and get back to us. I just normally paint the hulls as the ACTUAL SHIPS WERE PAINTED!!! Problem solved.
 
Corsair said:
If it is CA, the CA glue will penetrate deeply into the wood fibers and you could probably sand through the wood and never get the stain to to be an even color throughout as the stain needs to penetrate the wood and the CA prevents it. The options I can think of off hand would be:
1. Replace the wood that has the CA glue on it (I would imagine this would be a lot of work and cost and not a reasonable option).
2. Use paint instead of stain.
3. Try putting a heavy coat of stain where the CA is on the wood and don't wipe it off right away. Let it dry a little bit to hopefully get the color to sit on top of the stain to match the surrounding area. You will most likely still have areas of uneven color.

I think I would try number 3 first and see how that works out.

I hope that helps. Maybe someone else has some better ideas.
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Thanks jeff
 
James Frost said:
Hoy mate, Aye this is a tough one. That is the utmost problem with CA glues. We must remember that before the build begins. At this point.... In my opinion, Paint is the quickest and easiest way to solve this. If the problem is on the hull, well your going to have to paint it. Maybe that's why American builders prefer painting vs. staining? (Im kidding...) Give the hull a primer coat then try to mimic the stain color with paint. On the next build, use a traditional woodglue. Which one? I'm not sure? Test it and get back to us. I just normally paint the hulls as the ACTUAL SHIPS WERE PAINTED!!! Problem solved.
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I’m going to look up paint of 1492
 
Senorbob said:
I’m going to look up paint of 1492
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I understand. The replica ships sailing today Ninna, Pinta, and Santa Maria are painted black. I think a conversation about painted hulls and bottom paint colors has been discussed on this site.
 
James Frost said:
ACTUAL SHIPS WERE PAINTED!!!
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Well said. A nicely stained model can be beautiful and a way to show off the modeler's woodworking skills. But staining may be sometimes overrated. If you are seeking an authentic look, paint is going to be the answer, unless the subject is relatively modern with bright-finished features (think classic yachts). Fair winds!
 
Senorbob said:
Thanks, near as I could figure it would be black
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Aye Sir, not such a special color. I'm building the three of them right now, the Heller 1/75 scale plastic models with sails from Hismodel.com. I gave the models a complete base coat of Tamiya NATO Black. A good dull black acrylic paint through my airbrush.
Let me get back with you tomorrow about the shades of brown I used above the waterline. The bottom paint/color I always go with is a gray white. A dull white bottom paint works for me. A couple thousand people view these models every day and no one has ever questioned the colors.
I know you're building a larger wood kit. Painting it is a tough call. I'm sorry the CA stains are such a problem. Let me get the colors to you tomorrow Sir.
 
paint will hide it for sure but with the ca out gassing it may still present a problem.

just remember not to use ca on wood next time.
 
Hoy, I'm back, sorry for the delay. Please know I am not telling you how to do ANYTHING. This is how I painted the 1/75 Heller Columbus ships and I'm happy with the results, mind you, I'm not entering any contests.
These are the paints and colors I used above the waterline. I airbrushed the Hull, Bulwarks and Decks with 'Real Colors' Earth Red RC031. With a brush I paint all the wood trim a darker color, I used 'Tamiya' Red Brown XF-64. Spars, 'Tamiya' Flat Earth XF-52.
I then gave this two coats of wash, thinned flat black acrylic with lots of clean water at the ready to move the flat black acrylic and remove the excess.
After this dries, I will tape off the topside of the hull at the waterline and airbrush the bottom the dull white I mentioned earlyer.
This is how I painted the models. Painting also hides all the shiny CA glue marks the small parts will leave after gluing them on.
This is Nina. I'm trying to get Santa Maria to load.

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Oktay Yaylacıkoral said:
Bu sorunuza en iyi cevap.ilk satırını ıslak bezle silmelisiniz,kurulamaya izin vermeyin
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James Frost said:
Hoy, I'm back, sorry for the delay. Please know I am not telling you how to do ANYTHING. This is how I painted the 1/75 Heller Columbus ships and I'm happy with the results, mind you, I'm not entering any contests.
These are the paints and colors I used above the waterline. I airbrushed the Hull, Bulwarks and Decks with 'Real Colors' Earth Red RC031. With a brush I paint all the wood trim a darker color, I used 'Tamiya' Red Brown XF-64. Spars, 'Tamiya' Flat Earth XF-52.
I then gave this two coats of wash, thinned flat black acrylic with lots of clean water at the ready to move the flat black acrylic and remove the excess.
After this dries, I will tape off the topside of the hull at the waterline and airbrush the bottom the dull white I mentioned earlyer.
This is how I painted the models. Painting also hides all the shiny CA glue marks the small parts will leave after gluing them on.
This is Nina. I'm trying to get Santa Maria to load.

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That looks really good and authentic
 
Paint and conventional stains are a spectrum. Both are pigments in some kind of vehicle. The old oil based stains were pigments mixed with linseed oil. I don’t know the chemistry of the water based stains.

So, if your artistic vision for this model is the look of natural wood, don’t stain it, but instead spray it with very thin paint. Pick a tube of quality artists colors that matches your wood tone. Thin it with the proper solvent; denatured alcohol for acrylic paints, to get a translucent look.

Roger
 
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