Glues and finishes

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What is the best glue for wood ship models? Many (many) years ago I built an HMS Victory Cross Section and instead of paint it used different color planking.

It came with a thin amber liquid called “Glaze” ….I’ve looked for it but it doesn’t seem to be available anymore. What do we use nowadays?

Thanks
 
I pretty much use CA all the time. You will see debates about the longevity of CA vs. wood glue, but I do not know of any definitive studies into this.
You don't say what 'glaze' was used for, but it sounds like a coloured lacquer? If so, you can easily mix that up yourself either in acrylic or enamel.
 
You will see debates about the longevity of CA vs. wood glue
As the old saying goes, whatever floats your boat. I am not a fan of CA glue but will use it sparingly at times, just not for wood to wood. That's just me though as it is so fast to cure CA has no forgiveness and has very little sheer strength. PVA glue is more flexible, and also holds better in all directions. Try both and go with what you find works best for you.
Allan
 
I pretty much use CA all the time. You will see debates about the longevity of CA vs. wood glue, but I do not know of any definitive studies into this.
You don't say what 'glaze' was used for, but it sounds like a coloured lacquer? If so, you can easily mix that up yourself either in acrylic or enamel.
Glaze was like a thin varnish product that gave a finished look to bare wood planking …..I guess I’m showing my age!
 
i have used carpenter's glue since it first hit the market. its anazing stuff. i once saw an article in a fine wood working magazine explaining the science of pva glue with experimwnts demonstrating how it actually works. i cant find the article but a search found this. i think this explains pva very well....


here is another article explaining ca vs bonding longevity vs wood glue...
 
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Mike, there is no one-glue-fits-all panacea. Different adhesives have different properties and uses, although a small selection will get you started.

If you were limited to only one, however, I guess PVA would probably be the best choice. I use Titebond II for a general adhesive. Original Titebond is not PVA, nor is Titebond III. TB II has the longest open time (time you have to position and clamp the parts) and being a true PVA can usually be softened with heat and water in case you need to remove a part.

CyanoAcrylate (CA) also has its uses. I use primarily medium and thin viscosity. The thin will penetrate a joint and is what I used when I built the assembly jig for my Oseberg. The parts were all interlocking and tight-fitting, and the jig was nearly fully assembled before I applied any glue. I just put a couple of drops on the joint and it penetrated right in. However, the jig is for temporary use and I wouldn't use thin for general assembly - I have seen it fail. The medium viscosity is good for small, non-structural parts, but again, I wouldn't trust it for major assemblies. There is a reason that furniture manufacturers (and I work for one) use PVA for 99% of the assembly needs. The advantage of CA is its fast setting quality. I have often made use of it in combination with PVA to serve as a "clamp". Spread PVA over most of the mating part, but leave a few bare spots where you put a drop of CA. Press the part in place until the CA cures and it will hold the part in place until the PVA dries.

Stay completely away from polyurethanes like Original Gorilla. Despite the (false) advertising that it will hold anything, it only really works well with perfectly fitting joints and tight clamping. PU glues expand as they cure and will fill any gaps in your joint with a soft, brittle, frothy foam. Gorilla does make a PVA wood glue, however.

Epoxy is exceptionally strong, but is messy and a pain to mix up. It has its uses though, especially in laminating thin pieces, because it won't cause the wood to swell and warp like a high-moisture PVA will. It is also the only one that is gap-filling and that will reliably hold a poorly fitting joint.

That brings me to my final point - regardless of the adhesive you choose, make sure that the joints are tight and well fitting. IF not, use a small sliver of wood or veneer to fill the gap, or use epoxy. No other glue will reliably hold a poorly fitting joint. Additionally, plan your clamping strategy well in advance and try your clamps before applying glue. Whether it is just masking tape, rubber bands, spring clamps, bar clamps or cans of dog food - have them ready and make sure they will work before you uncork the glue.

Hope this helps.

Hope this helps.
 
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I have been using old school hide glue more and more lately... It takes a little longer to set up but cleans up easily. Holds tightly forever (what do you think all those old Navy Board models were made with) and if there is any chance you need to debond or reposition the joint all you need is a heat gun for about 20 seconds... So much easier than methanol for debonding PVA... Any squeeze out cleans up easily with warm moist cloth.
 
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“Glaze” was a Floquil product that came in several ship-specific paint assortments I purchased. It was in their Railroad Colors line. I never used as I prefer a sprayed Dullcote over paint so can’t comment on the finish characteristics.

Although Floquil has been gone for many years, I did see that you can buy vintage 1oz bottles on EBay (needless to say, they are expensive!)
 
I have used a hobby glue called Aleenes Tacky glue for my last several builds. I get it from typical craft stores or Amazon. It is a high tack quick dry PVA that dries clear. I also use various CA glues. I prefer CA gel for most applications and CA thin for securing rigging seizings. But the Tacky glue is my go-to for modeling.
 
Glaze was like a thin varnish product that gave a finished look to bare wood planking …..I guess I’m showing my age!
Yes, as Mike points out Glaze was a product from Floquil and it vanished from the market which was too bad because it was one of those products that was both good and affordable. The big problem with finishes/varnishes is that they are ridiculously expensive and (at least down here) only available in tin sizes that ensure most will never be used. The solution I came up with is to buy varnish in a spray can (like any spray paint). Because I usually am only doing a small bit at a time, I can spray a small quantity into a container and only use what I need and I'm really happy with the finish I get.
 
Two-part epoxy is difficult to work with, but very effective, once you get the hang of it. Two problems must be dealt with. First, how much to use, and second, how much to apply to the parts to be glued. There is, of course, the clean-up. With time and experience, it is possible to become expert in the use of this marvelous product that seems to get harder with age.
 
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I have used a hobby glue called Aleenes Tacky glue for my last several builds. I get it from typical craft stores or Amazon. It is a high tack quick dry PVA that dries clear. I also use various CA glues. I prefer CA gel for most applications and CA thin for securing rigging seizings. But the Tacky glue is my go-to for modeling.
The Admiral, a retired kindergarten teacher of 46 years, use Tacky Glue for her projects, many of which I was ordered to assist with. ;)

It's good stuff, but it was so thick, I found I had to keep it in a large plastic cup, nozzle down, to keep the glue ready while I was using it.

Titebond II works well for most of my needs and I found these metal tipped glue bottles at Michaels are the nuts for application. The tip is about the size of a medium syringe needle and the little silicone cap keeps it from clogging. The Titebond comes through just fine and allows precise application. No more toothpicks for applying glue.

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Yes, as Mike points out Glaze was a product from Floquil and it vanished from the market which was too bad because it was one of those products that was both good and affordable. The big problem with finishes/varnishes is that they are ridiculously expensive and (at least down here) only available in tin sizes that ensure most will never be used. The solution I came up with is to buy varnish in a spray can (like any spray paint). Because I usually am only doing a small bit at a time, I can spray a small quantity into a container and only use what I need and I'm really happy with the finish I get.
As well as the old Floquil there are also a lot of glazes still being made. A Google search on "glaze for wood" could be a starting point.
 
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