Wondering.... should a grating be higher than the deck itself, in order to avoid water entering the deck beneath, or is it correct the opposite? That is to be level with the deck in order to let water go down and also not to be a kind of step obstacle for the crew that moves on the deck?
The coaming and grating need to be above deck level. The grating itself is removable, but in storms or heavy seas, canvas covering is lashed to the coaming to keep water from getting below. “Batten down the hatches !”
Dave is explaining it very well and complete. Definitely higher than the deck level
Half of the mentioned heights - I have to check in the books, but I would say between 10 to 15 cm
This is what Brian Lavery is writing:
"Coamings and hatches varied considerably in height, according to the size of the ship and their position. They could be as high as 12in on a large ship, and as small as 3in on a sloop or brig. By the late eighteenth century, much higher coamings were fitted on the gundeck than on other decks, as water was much more likely to come through the ports of that deck. The head ledges had a slightly greater camber than the deck itself, by about 1 1/2in"
"Coamings and hatches varied considerably in height, according to the size of the ship and their position. They could be as high as 12in on a large ship, and as small as 3in on a sloop or brig. By the late eighteenth century, much higher coamings were fitted on the gundeck than on other decks, as water was much more likely to come through the ports of that deck. The head ledges had a slightly greater camber than the deck itself, by about 1 1/2in"
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I have observed that the grating height will depend on the Nation building the vessel. The French gratings are at deck level, while the English and American grates are elevated.
Bob
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Hallo Bob,
when I take a look at the plansets of french vessels, which have and already made some planset reviews, the gratings are also elevated, like the english ships.
I made some copies of these vessels where you can see the gratings in the cross sections, also f.e. the La Renomee - frigate.
@Messis :
which frigate you are working on?
Maybe you can show us your work........
I forgot, that you built the Hermione. and checked the drawing set by Jean Claude Lemineur
this is a cross section of the ship, showing the elevated gratings
Also the replica ships has them elevated. I was visiting her in Rochefort last October.
this is a cross section of the ship, showing the elevated gratings
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Also the replica ships has them elevated. I was visiting her in Rochefort last October.
Hermione - a 32-gun Concorde-class frigate fitted for 12-pounder guns - dockyards of Rochefort, France
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@Uwek thanks again dear friend. Undoubtedly the drawings confirm that we do have an elevation.
Just for the record the picture below is taken.by me two years ago as I went to Rochefort... the grating on the upper deck is not elevated. Still I trust more the drawings you have just posted.
Christos
Just for the record the picture below is taken.by me two years ago as I went to Rochefort... the grating on the upper deck is not elevated. Still I trust more the drawings you have just posted.
Christos
Here is no elevation around main mast on HMS Victory.
Very interesting posts - and different information
I will check in the evening the complete planset and will show the given information
I will check in the evening the complete planset and will show the given information
I checked the photos of a friend of mine, who posted more photos in the german forum. (The visit in Rochefort last October was organized by this forum)
Your photo is misleading a little bit, and you will see why:
This is the group - the german / austrian delegation of the international convention - (I am the fourth from the right)
Some more photos you can find on the german forum (many thanks to Daniel from whom I borrowed the photos):
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