Hms Mamoli swift rigging help

[Lunarlander]

I’m starting the standing rigging on my hms swift and can’t find much information online regarding this paticular ship. Can someone tell me if this is correct the bowsprit shroud 17-18-204 it’s to my understanding they were never belayed but on this model it is. Is this correct ? Are there any other discrepancies in the standing rigging. This is my first build and I just want to get it as accurate as possible. There also is I believe a fore stay but no fore stay preventer should I add one? Thanks

 

[Roger Pellett]

Kit manufacturers often make up names for the models that they offer so it’s possible that this is a model of a brig with a made up name.

If you want to rig it correctly, the best modern reference is considered to be Lees Masting and Rigging of British Warships. A contemporary reference is Steel’s Masting, Rigging, and Sailmaking. Reprints of Steel are expensive, but I believe that there is a free downloadable version posted on the internet.

ROGER

 

[Bob Cleek]

Reprints of Steel are expensive, but I believe that there is a free downloadable version posted on the internet.

Steel's elements of mastmaking, sailmaking and rigging : Claude S. Gill and Edward W. Sweetman : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

archive.org

and

https://cdn.wildapricot.com/278718/resources/Documents/articles/TheArtOfRigging-Steel.pdf?version=1579727200000&Policy=eyJTdGF0ZW1lbnQiOiBbeyJSZXNvdXJjZSI6Imh0dHBzOi8vY2RuLndpbGRhcHJpY290LmNvbS8yNzg3MTgvcmVzb3VyY2VzL0RvY3VtZW50cy9hcnRpY2xlcy9UaGVBcnRPZlJpZ2dpbmctU3RlZWwucGRmP3ZlcnNpb249MTU3OTcyNzIwMDAwMCIsIkNvbmRpdGlvbiI6eyJEYXRlTGVzc1RoYW4iOnsiQVdTOkVwb2NoVGltZSI6MTc2NDcyMTU5M30sIklwQWRkcmVzcyI6eyJBV1M6U291cmNlSXAiOiIwLjAuMC4wLzAifX19XX0_&Signature=oIoNq~iCfl3k5V99pWpo1kJwpFDTBBiZNAtWT9Z9b8ipur5GcbXXULncJuITQICQjA17iG96mA0Ce25-6LdiDwDVZBhMT0ZVhr0B3xnbZHoF~~SF30e-0GmIPvJoUewZSGyp45e2brt7EiMqRKVhOc-vsAOA7QUKjV0dwuZ9Sj55hlMPmMrFXEdanayPPJyhghgQWH4HQtOAIr6HVGcWalmU4O7MewOjbD4OX3Ggjy1RVa8DFGf2ecP4nK6HKiYBRGKabNvSrio-xQFTcBa6wo2fOWYINQHfc9JgIdps7hFJ8hhTr4tTlc1rZZYgADN5JFob15CrUYJLHLwnNw0ugw__&Key-Pair-Id=K27MGQSHTHAGGF

The latter is an excerpt from the first edition of Steele's addressing only Steele's "progressive method" of rigging in an order which avoids the rigger's "rigging himself into a corner," as it were.

As mentioned above, anybody undertaking to build an historically accurate model of a period ship should have the definitive reference work on their bookshelf: James Lees' The Masting and Rigging of English Ships of War, 1625-1860
(See:

https://www.amazon.com/Masting-Rigging-English-Ships-1625-1860/dp/0870219480)

You've done a very nice job on the hull and deck detail of your model. In order to do the level of craftsmanship I see in those stages of construction justice, I would suggest that you seriously consider investing the time to consult the historical authorities, (Lees and Steele, at least,) to ensure the accuracy of Mamoli's kit version. Do not trust the accuracy of any ship model kit. Most all contain errors and not infrequently glaring errors. I would also urge you to consider discarding the kit's cordage, blocks, and, perhaps, rigging fittings, and replacing them with period and scale correct aftermarket quality blocks and cordage of the correct size and color, and where applicable, metal spar fittings. The low quality of these items provided by the kit will become even more obvious when compared to your much higher quality work elsewhere on the model as your rigging work progresses.

Fortunately, the "biggest dirty secrets" kept by nearly every ship model kit manufacturer, that everything you need to build a model that looks like the color photo on the box is in the box and that following the instructions will produce a "museum quality," historically accurate model, can be overcome with relative ease once a modeler is aware of them are fairly easy to overcome.

 

[Lunarlander]

Thanks for the responses. I did buy rigging period ship models- Lennarth Peterson and that’s where I started noticing these errors. I spent a lot of time/years getting the hull ready and think the same level of detail and work should be given to the rigging.

 

[Lunarlander]

Steel's elements of mastmaking, sailmaking and rigging : Claude S. Gill and Edward W. Sweetman : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

archive.org

and

https://cdn.wildapricot.com/278718/resources/Documents/articles/TheArtOfRigging-Steel.pdf?version=1579727200000&Policy=eyJTdGF0ZW1lbnQiOiBbeyJSZXNvdXJjZSI6Imh0dHBzOi8vY2RuLndpbGRhcHJpY290LmNvbS8yNzg3MTgvcmVzb3VyY2VzL0RvY3VtZW50cy9hcnRpY2xlcy9UaGVBcnRPZlJpZ2dpbmctU3RlZWwucGRmP3ZlcnNpb249MTU3OTcyNzIwMDAwMCIsIkNvbmRpdGlvbiI6eyJEYXRlTGVzc1RoYW4iOnsiQVdTOkVwb2NoVGltZSI6MTc2NDcyMTU5M30sIklwQWRkcmVzcyI6eyJBV1M6U291cmNlSXAiOiIwLjAuMC4wLzAifX19XX0_&Signature=oIoNq~iCfl3k5V99pWpo1kJwpFDTBBiZNAtWT9Z9b8ipur5GcbXXULncJuITQICQjA17iG96mA0Ce25-6LdiDwDVZBhMT0ZVhr0B3xnbZHoF~~SF30e-0GmIPvJoUewZSGyp45e2brt7EiMqRKVhOc-vsAOA7QUKjV0dwuZ9Sj55hlMPmMrFXEdanayPPJyhghgQWH4HQtOAIr6HVGcWalmU4O7MewOjbD4OX3Ggjy1RVa8DFGf2ecP4nK6HKiYBRGKabNvSrio-xQFTcBa6wo2fOWYINQHfc9JgIdps7hFJ8hhTr4tTlc1rZZYgADN5JFob15CrUYJLHLwnNw0ugw__&Key-Pair-Id=K27MGQSHTHAGGF

The latter is an excerpt from the first edition of Steele's addressing only Steele's "progressive method" of rigging in an order which avoids the rigger's "rigging himself into a corner, as it were.

As mentioned above, anybody undertaking to build an historically accurate model of a period ship should have the definitive reference work on their bookshelf: James Lees' The Masting and Rigging of English Ships of War, 1625-1860 (See:

https://www.amazon.com/Masting-Rigging-English-Ships-1625-1860/dp/0870219480)

You've done a very nice job on the hull and deck detail of your model. In order to do the level of craftsmanship I see in those stages of construction justice, I would suggest that you seriously consider investing the time to consult the historical authorities, (Lees and Steele, at least,) to ensure the accuracy of Mamoli's kit version. Do not trust the accuracy of any ship model kit. Most all contain errors and not infrequently glaring errors. I would also urge you to consider discarding the kit's cordage, blocks, and, perhaps, rigging fittings, and replacing them with period and scale correct aftermarket quality blocks and cordage of the correct size and color, and where applicable, metal spar fittings. The low quality of these items provided by the kit will become even more obvious when compared to your much higher quality work elsewhere on the model as your rigging work progresses.

Fortunately, the "biggest dirty secrets" kept by nearly every ship model kit manufacturer, that everything you need to build a model that looks like the color photo on the box is in the box and that following the instructions will produce a "museum quality," historically accurate model, can be overcome with relative ease once a modeler is aware of them.

I did get rid of the blocks they were garbage I also bought cordage online as the cordage supplied with the kit is garbage as well.

 

[Lunarlander]

Kit manufacturers often make up names for the models that they offer so it’s possible that this is a model of a brig with a made up name.

If you want to rig it correctly, the best modern reference is considered to be Lees Masting and Rigging of British Warships. A contemporary reference is Steel’s Masting, Rigging, and Sailmaking. Reprints of Steel are expensive, but I believe that there is a free downloadable version posted on the internet.

ROGER

I will have a look at this thank you