The stern Scottish thistle and crown are done.
That's it for this row of decorations except for the gunport decorations.
That's it for this row of decorations except for the gunport decorations.
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HMS Sovereign of the Seas - Bashing DeAgostini Beyond Believable Boundaries
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…..I can’t wait for the prints… 
. Sorry Kurt I don’t have your patience 
. As I have said before - stunning design work. Cheers Grant
. Sorry Kurt I don’t have your patience . As I have said before - stunning design work. Cheers Grant
10 more to go?
Well Vic, if you don't have patience you don't get the results you want.…..I can’t wait for the prints…
One just has to grunt and continue working. It's like ratlining. Hugely tedious. I wan to start printing also, and am resisting the urge to start another model just to get my hands busy again. That's the tough part.
THe taffrail and counter are next, then the column decorations. (what are they called again?)
Column decorations, maybe?
Columns, definitely. At the moment I started working on some of the other decorative elements that surround the icons, starting with the carvings around the central figure of King Charles I. Here is how that one is coming along. The gallery around King Charles below this is next, and that gallery may be merged with the figure of the King to make one large central assembly.
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The stern alcove for King Charles I is complete. The figure of King Charles will be printed seperately for ease of construction.
I went crazy on the alcove since it's the centerpiece of the stern.
I went crazy on the alcove since it's the centerpiece of the stern.
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Hi Kurt,
Fantastic results. One remark is there an option to slightly angle some of the emblemes at the corners of the stern. Your emblemes are now squared where they apear angled following thelines of the sides and friezes.
Vs
This would benefit the aestetics greatly.
Fantastic results. One remark is there an option to slightly angle some of the emblemes at the corners of the stern. Your emblemes are now squared where they apear angled following thelines of the sides and friezes.
Vs
This would benefit the aestetics greatly.
I noticed that also. It was easily fixed. Another minor issue is that the painting is not completely symmetrical, so theye may be some issues fitting the objects into the panel rectangles on the model, and adjustments to scale and shape in the 3-D objects will occasionally need to be made and repriinted on the resin printer.
This question from today's PM was worth re-posting in the build log:
I readjusted the angle on the outboard escutchens.
2) All of the icons follow the curves of the Lely Painting at present. Most of the curvature is attributed to the curvature of the central portion of the stern, inboard of the side galleries. Also, some of the curvature is attributed to the camber of the decks behind the stern fascade. The 3-D models are not curved at back surface where the glue joints will be in order to attach them to the wood. At this stage, I do not anticipate that curvature to require curving the back sides of the decroations because the small scale of the model may no require them to be. However, if this turns out to be the case, individual decorations can be bent out of flat to accomodate the planking of the stern using the Blender Sculpt tools and re-printed.
All of the icons follow the curves of the Lely Painting at present. Most of the curvature is attributed to the curvature of the central portion of the stern, inboard of the side galleries. Also, some of the curvature is attributed to the camber of the decks behind the stern fascade. The 3-D models are not curved at back surface where the glue joints will be in order to attach them to the wood. At this stage, I do not anticipate that curvature to require curving the back sides of the decroations because the small scale of the model may no require them to be. However, if this turns out to be the case, individual decorations can be bent out of flat to accomodate the planking of the stern using the Blender Sculpt tools and re-printed.
1) Yes, the stern will not be flat, but will be curved, based on the Jacob Kniffe's painting below.
I readjusted the angle on the outboard escutchens.
2) All of the icons follow the curves of the Lely Painting at present. Most of the curvature is attributed to the curvature of the central portion of the stern, inboard of the side galleries. Also, some of the curvature is attributed to the camber of the decks behind the stern fascade. The 3-D models are not curved at back surface where the glue joints will be in order to attach them to the wood. At this stage, I do not anticipate that curvature to require curving the back sides of the decroations because the small scale of the model may no require them to be. However, if this turns out to be the case, individual decorations can be bent out of flat to accomodate the planking of the stern using the Blender Sculpt tools and re-printed.
All of the icons follow the curves of the Lely Painting at present. Most of the curvature is attributed to the curvature of the central portion of the stern, inboard of the side galleries. Also, some of the curvature is attributed to the camber of the decks behind the stern fascade. The 3-D models are not curved at back surface where the glue joints will be in order to attach them to the wood. At this stage, I do not anticipate that curvature to require curving the back sides of the decroations because the small scale of the model may no require them to be. However, if this turns out to be the case, individual decorations can be bent out of flat to accomodate the planking of the stern using the Blender Sculpt tools and re-printed.
For such a small curvature you might also be able to heat the flat pieces in hot water and bend them to the desired curve without having to redesign and reprint them
Many thanks to Mark P. on the MSW forum for providing clues as to the overall shape of the stern and it's details. We have had a few PM exchanges and this changed my perspective on several details. We discussed the mismatched roofs of the stern and side galleries in the Lely Painting of Peter Pett and SotS.
Note how the windows do not line up between Lely and Payne between the side galleries and the stern. The roofs should line up along the yellow line. However the scallop decorated roof in the Lely painting lines up with the side gallery windows instead of being higher, above the level of the side gallery windows. The windows shown with the red lines should be lined up in the Lely painting, and they're not. While making 3-D objects, this height mismatch will affect how tall some of the decorations will be.
The propose solution to correct the Lely painting would be to move the red section shown below down relative to the side galleries such that the roofs line up at the corners.
Note how the TWO rows of decorations just below the wiindows on the side gallery line up with ONE decoration row on the stern in the Jacob Knyff painting. This resolves the mismatch, and allows the windows and roofs to line up.
Mark P. noted that the statue alcove may project farther out from the stern that the surrounding decorations. Knyffe's painting hints at this, but a Van de Velde drawing of HMS Royal Prince has a definition protrusion of a very similar statue alcove to the Sovereign. In preparation for the change to the prominence of the alcove, I spent several hours optimizing the alcove mesh and thickening the columns so they will have more depth and not be as flush with adjacent decroation when attached to the ship. Below, the alcove is shown flush with nearby decorations. This will not be the case on the model.
See the protrustioon of the statue alcove from the stern on HMS Royal Prince.
Note how the windows do not line up between Lely and Payne between the side galleries and the stern. The roofs should line up along the yellow line. However the scallop decorated roof in the Lely painting lines up with the side gallery windows instead of being higher, above the level of the side gallery windows. The windows shown with the red lines should be lined up in the Lely painting, and they're not. While making 3-D objects, this height mismatch will affect how tall some of the decorations will be.
The propose solution to correct the Lely painting would be to move the red section shown below down relative to the side galleries such that the roofs line up at the corners.
Note how the TWO rows of decorations just below the wiindows on the side gallery line up with ONE decoration row on the stern in the Jacob Knyff painting. This resolves the mismatch, and allows the windows and roofs to line up.
Mark P. noted that the statue alcove may project farther out from the stern that the surrounding decorations. Knyffe's painting hints at this, but a Van de Velde drawing of HMS Royal Prince has a definition protrusion of a very similar statue alcove to the Sovereign. In preparation for the change to the prominence of the alcove, I spent several hours optimizing the alcove mesh and thickening the columns so they will have more depth and not be as flush with adjacent decroation when attached to the ship. Below, the alcove is shown flush with nearby decorations. This will not be the case on the model.
See the protrustioon of the statue alcove from the stern on HMS Royal Prince.
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