Maritime Hall in San Martino Museum, Naples

[Martes]

I found some photos of this museum in Naples here:

http://lpsphoto.top/en/marine/museo-di-san-martino-marine-collection

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And I am especially interested if there are any other photographs or information about the second model, that is seen on the left:

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[Uwek]

Do you the name and time or period of the ship?
So we can make some research......

 

[Martes]

Do you the name and time or period of the ship?
So we can make some research......

For the smaller model in the center the caption says it's a model of a typical French Sane 18-pounder frigate, built under the French control.

The larger model certainly belongs to the same period (~1800), and may very well be simply a larger version of the same design with more complete upperworks, but unfortunately it was not photographed in whole.

So I posted this in hope that somebody visits the place occasionally

 

[Uwek]

Maybe this is helping, what I found out until now

The frigate in the center of the photo had a very intense history

Jean-Francois Lafosse designed in 1798 the La Guerriere (38guns 18pdr)

Jean-Francois Lafosse (1761-?)

Jean-Francois Lafosse (1761-?), name, date of birth, date of death, marriage, children, genealogy, naval service, ships owned, actions, battles and other major events, honours, awards and appointments

threedecks.org

The La Guerrière, a 38 gunner, launched in 1799, was a purpose build, and later on captured by the british HMS Blanche in 1806

French Fifth Rate frigate 'La Guerrière' (1799)

French Fifth Rate frigate 'La Guerrière' (1799). Dates of service, name changes, previous and next incarnations, dimensions, armament, commanders, officers and crewmen, actions, battles, sources

threedecks.org

and renamed HMS Guerriere -

British Fifth Rate frigate 'Guerriere' (1806)

British Fifth Rate frigate 'Guerriere' (1806). Dates of service, name changes, previous and next incarnations, dimensions, armament, commanders, officers and crewmen, actions, battles, sources

threedecks.org

and finally in 1812 captured by the USS Constitution

USS Constitution vs HMS Guerriere - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

HMS Guerriere (1806) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Uwek]

These are the paintings of the HMS Guerriere available in NMM - unfortunately I did not find a drawing of the ship

Collection Results | Royal Museums Greenwich

Explore seafaring history, timekeeping and astronomy, fine art and the world's largest maritime library and archive collection. Start your search today.

www.rmg.co.uk

 

[Uwek]

The ship model on the left could be:

Also build by Lafosse in Naples, designed by Sane and launched in Naples was the 44 gun french Pallas-class frigate 'La Carolina' (1811)

French Fifth Rate frigate 'La Carolina' (1811)

French Fifth Rate frigate 'La Carolina' (1811). Dates of service, name changes, previous and next incarnations, dimensions, armament, commanders, officers and crewmen, actions, battles, sources

threedecks.org

which was later on renamed to Neapolitan Fifth Rate frigate 'Carolona' (1813) - renamed to Amalia (1815) and once more to Caracciolo (1861)

Neapolitan Fifth Rate frigate 'Carolona' (1813)

Neapolitan Fifth Rate frigate 'Carolona' (1813). Dates of service, name changes, previous and next incarnations, dimensions, armament, commanders, officers and crewmen, actions, battles, sources

threedecks.org

 

[Uwek]

A sistership La Clorinde was captured and re-measured



This and other drawings you can find here

Collection Results | Royal Museums Greenwich

Explore seafaring history, timekeeping and astronomy, fine art and the world's largest maritime library and archive collection. Start your search today.

www.rmg.co.uk

 

[Martes]

Thanks, @Uwek , but that's not exactly what interests me here (and I am very well aware of the RMG collection and threedecks.org )

I am less after the identity of the ship the model could depict, but the model itself.

The model shows, for example, a rarely depicted enclosed bow. Was it a Neapolitan interpretation? French?

How the rest of it looks like? How it is constructed? Is it an identifiable ship or a project? All this is impossible to answer if you can't see the rest of the object.

P.S. Concerning the Guerriere. There is definitely some confusion here, because Guerriere was not a Sane-derived design. She was based on Forfait's fregates-bombardes, but lengthened and would probably be closer to Furieuse. Anyway, it's very difficult to say what is the shape of the frames of the central model from a single photo, but as far as I can see it is closer to classical Sane form with pronounced turn of the bilge.

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In any case, the central model is probably closer to Clorinde, but it doesn't mean anything. It was one of the most numerous and standard designs of the time. And it is absolutely possible the two models depict the same design in different scales and different finish level. What I am after are photos of those models.