Model Expo Discontinuing OCCRE

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Received an e-mail this morning announcing that Model Expo is discontinuing their affiliation with OCCRE. Here's a snip of the e-mail.
We believe in a Free Market
We believe you should get products for the best possible prices.
And when a manufacturer tells us we should sell for a higher fixed price - the price he wants - we have no option than to walk away.

All Occre items are on Sale with discounts you won't find anywhere else. But when stocks run out, it's over.​

Might be a good time to grab a great deal.

...henry
 
I got an email from Model Expo/Model Shipways stating the are having a closeout sale on all OcCre stock. When sold they are done with the line!

Email talked about being a free market company and don’t like it when a manufacturer demands they sell items for higher prices! So ME is cutting ties with OcCre and sell all remaining stock at discount. No back orders.

Just to let you know!

Kurt K

 
Usually only high-end products have such defined and fix selling prices, I know f.e. cmc or amalgam (high end car models)
I fully understand the decision by Model Expo, although they will loose market - respect
 
On the other hand.. a supplier has the right to ask their resellers to not undercut the resale price, in order to protect all resellers.
It's a free market indeed. So respect for both parties; Occre for trying to protect the interests of their reseller network,
Model Expo for choosing not to sell Occre anymore. (please note; Occre get their price anyway, so they act in the interest of their partners/resellers, not in their own)!
 
Considering the cost issue and quality/design from OcCre it seems like a logical thing to do. Is it true they will also drop ZHL once they sell out their stock of ZHL kits because of IP theft allegations?
 
Considering the cost issue and quality/design from OcCre it seems like a logical thing to do. Is it true they will also drop ZHL once they sell out their stock of ZHL kits because of IP theft allegations?
Alan, please refrain from discussing the intellectual property of kit production on our forum. Also, we are discussing the OcCre situation on this topic.
 
Received an e-mail this morning announcing that Model Expo is discontinuing their affiliation with OCCRE. Here's a snip of the e-mail.

We believe in a Free Market
We believe you should get products for the best possible prices.
And when a manufacturer tells us we should sell for a higher fixed price - the price he wants - we have no option than to walk away.

All Occre items are on Sale with discounts you won't find anywhere else. But when stocks run out, it's over.​


Might be a good time to grab a great deal.

...henry
I purchased and built a model from Occre as per the recommendation of a member here. Although the finished model turned out pretty good, I didn't like the quality of the kit. It lacked a lot of detail and I don't think any ship model should expect you to have exposed plywood edges visible on a finished product. Their selection of wood was not what i would want to use either. Luckily, I have enough spare hardwood in my shop from decades of model making to modify and customize so the finished ship came out decent.
Although their plans and instructions were quite comprehensive, Occre is off my list of kit manufacturers.
The ship I built was the Essex.
 
Who is on your list of kit manufacturers ? I am curious
ZHL brand seems to have the best quality wood and detail. Although the instructions get lost in translation from Chinese which gives an extra challenge. If you dobby from them, make sure it's a ZHL brand since they sell other brands that are not quote the same.
Mamoli is quite good.
Artisania Latina is very good.
Panart is also good.
Model Shipways has come a long way since Model Expo bought them some time ago.
 
There are lot more very good quality ship model kits other than Zhl kits

Caf,Modelship Dockyard,Unicorn Models,Miniature Arts ,Shicheng Models,Trident Models,Sail and sail Models ,all these are very good quality kits

 
If your having a pric increase you should let it take affect gradually as kits are sold and replaced. Kits should sell at the price they were when they were bought.The new kits can have the new price and sales will tell the rest of the story. I think Model Expo is right.
 
I'm used to the concept of SRP (suggested retail price), that producers and manufacturers state, and that they themselves will never sell lower than... but allow their resellers to discount as much as they wish, since it only affects the reseller's profit margin. That also provides the opportunity for things like flash sails and loss leader sales. When I think of a manufacturer stipulating that amount a product can be sold for as a concrete bottom line mandate, I think of things like Ferrari dealerships... not wooden ship model manufacturers. Obviously, we all have opinions on this topic, and we don't have to agree with each other. IMHO, I respect Model Expo for making the decision they have. The manufacturer will always get the profit margins they seek, as they can choose to discount bulk orders sold to resellers... but to force those resellers to only sell at the price they (the manufacturer) mandates, in my belief, is a bit unethical and not in the spirit of a free market economy.

Alas, for me it's a moot point, as I've never bought an OcCre kit and likely never will/would. Not so much because Model Expo will no longer be selling their products, but simply because I tend to stick with manufacturers I've got personal experience with... I know what to expect (or not expect) in lines of quality of materials, fit of pre-cut parts, as well as how their methodology works in regards to plans and documented instructions. Additionally, I've got enough kits on the shelf awaiting their turn on the build desk that I'll never live long enough to need to purchase another one. :)
 
I wonder if Model Expo took this decision (why would they do that. Just sell at the price Occre 'dictates'..now they lose business..)
or if Occre ended the partnership because of ME not adhering to Occre's pricing policy?
To be honest, the 2nd possibility makes much more sense to me.

Also.. this whole 'free market' idea is less of a thing in Europe than in the US I think.
It is probably easier for an European company to keep their EU resellers 'in check' than it is in the US.
The result can be a race to the bottom in terms of profitability for a dealer network, which is also not of interest to the end-user.
Not to speak of customers who (ab)use time and effort and advice from a legitimate business,
only to then scour the internet to order from the cheapest box mover.
In a previous life I was both a reseller and a wholesaler (computers in the 80's), and instinctively my sympathy goes out to Occre.
Not that it matters;-)
 
I wonder if Model Expo took this decision (why would they do that. Just sell at the price Occre 'dictates'..now they lose business..)
or if Occre ended the partnership because of ME not adhering to Occre's pricing policy?
To be honest, the 2nd possibility makes much more sense to me.

Also.. this whole 'free market' idea is less of a thing in Europe than in the US I think.
It is probably easier for an European company to keep their EU resellers 'in check' than it is in the US.
The result can be a race to the bottom in terms of profitability for a dealer network, which is also not of interest to the end-user.
Not to speak of customers who (ab)use time and effort and advice from a legitimate business,
only to then scour the internet to order from the cheapest box mover.
In a previous life I was both a reseller and a wholesaler (computers in the 80's), and instinctively my sympathy goes out to Occre.
Not that it matters;-)
Certainly a different perspective on things. And though we'll obviously agree to disagree, I certainly don't have any sympathy for OcCre. They made a corporate decision in regards to how they want to manage pricing, and though some might accept it, others will reject it as being an initiative to eliminate competition in the reseller market. Because of that choice, they've lost one of their larger resellers. Additionally, unless other ship kit manufacturers take the very same fixed pricing stance, they've also given their competition a gift. It's truly not a wise marketing decision.

I'm not an employee of Model Expo, but I suspect the whole thing played out something like this. I think they simply butted heads over the price fixing policy and agreed not to do business with each other. Model Expo would want to be able to control what they sell an item for. OcCre wants to fix pricing. Neither is willing to change their opinion. So whether OcCre refuses to sell, or Model Expo refuses to buy is a moot point. They're simply no longer doing business with each other.

When it comes to buying, customers are going to be looking at a handful of criteria when they make their buying decision. One of the biggest ones will be price. Others will be availability and diversity of product offerings. Previous purchase experience with the seller. Things like customer support, return policies, shipping expediency, etc. So if you purposely cripple one of the major areas in which a business can be competative, then understandably the reseller is not going to be happy. At that point, it becomes better to unload whatever stock you have, and no longer purchase from that manufacturer.

I'm not from the US... I'm Canadian. And though Americans might consider Canada a country with some socialist policies, one thing we share is the concept of free enterprise. OcCre would never be one to have to suffer profit loss, as they are in full control of what they charge. However, the reseller should be allowed to sell the product they acquire from OcCre, for whatever level of profit they deem acceptable. That includes selling things at less than normal mark-up, if they wish to spur additional sales, or if they wish to blow out old inventory that isn't selling well. What is considered normal practice in North America is that a manufacturer will set an MSRP (manufacturer suggested retail price)... emphasis on the "suggested". Its not fixed. The only situation I'm aware of where the MSRP is the only price an item is sold for is if the manufacturer also has a retail as well as a wholesale operation. When the manufacturer sells directly to end custojmers, then they have to charge their MSRP so as not to undermine the resellers they sell to.

Creating a quality product and selling it at a price the market will bear is fundamental for any business venture. Mandating what a reseller has to charge their customers for an item is something I personally could never condone or support. Unless the OcCre reseller network is mostly in Europe, I really think they shot themselves in the foot by introducing a fixed pricing policy. I'd actually be quite surprised if many larger European resellers would be thrilled by this either. The only people it really benefits are the very small hobby shops that stock one or two each of a handful of kits, as they would be competing with larger resellers (like Model Expo) who have a warehouse full of kits for sale... and a fixed pricing strategy would work to level the playing field between "mom and pop" shops and larger warehouse operations. Obviously, economy of scale comes into play. If you have a huge operation, most of your operating costs become less because of the volume you're handling. It doesn't mean what you're selling is inferior, it just means that when you buy... you buy a shipping container of product, not six boxes.

People will pay a premium for local service when it makes sense to do so. Today was a very good example of that from a personal perspective... I wanted to get some small parts to enhance the kit I'm currently working on, and rather than order off Amazon, eBay, or AliExpress... I paid a visit to a large, local hobby and craft shop. I paid well over 30% more for what I purchased from them... even more when I take into account the gas I used to drive there... but in return I got to pick and choose from stock I saw laid out in front of me. But to mandate that I would pay that same higher price to acquire it from an eCommerce site makes no sense.

So yes, we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. :)
 
Thank you for your thoughtful reply!
I'd like to add some thoughts:

As far as I know price fixing is forbidden within the EU. But culturally I guess it is easier to somewhat control resale prices here
than in the more aggressive US economy. (I don't know about Canada, but lived in Ft. Lauderdale for many years).
Now I live in Sweden, in many American's view a hardcore 'socialist' country. But boy am I happy to live here, and I'm not alone;
the Nordic countries rank consistently highest in terms of happiness, so there must be something to this socialism thing ;-)

Your analysis about what happened here makes more sense than mine, so we agree about thatThumbsup.
In my post I choose one word very deliberately: Instinctively my sympathy goes out to OcCre.
I think some discipline regarding price control (not fixing) is to the benefit of all, including the customer.
Not that it matters (and I meant both what really happened, and my opinion about it.)

Your are lucky to have a local real world shop near you. They are worth supporting.

Thanks again for your insights. Now I have some ratlines to finish.. ;)
 
i do not think "free market" has anything to do with an agreement between a manufacture and a resale outlet.

for example, my daughter has some of her art pieces in a local art gallery she also does art shows and sells on line. Her agreement with the gallery is she can not sell anything at a show or on line for less than what is in the gallery. If she does then she will be removed from the network of art galleries.
LOC/precision was started by my brother in law and myself years ago and we sold it a long time ago. we had a wholesale distributor that handled sales to hobby shops and independent sellers. Their rule was a fixed retail price on all rocket kits. The reason was the more you bought wholesale the higher the discount. So you get people who could buy in larger quantiles and get a larger discount the problem was these few undersold the smaller dealers and running them out of the business, nor could we sell retail directly. The bottom line was no matter who you bought a rocket from the price is the same. The more you bought wholesale the bigger the discount and the larger your profit margin. It is not so you can undercut everyone else.

so there are rules if you want to play the game follow the rules.

https://locprecision.com/
 
I am new here, but I gotta say that MAP pricing is very common. Almost every brand name in the reefing hobby and in Fly Fishing are all MAP priced. It has nothing to do with the Free Market. I personally love it because it makes it very easy to shop for the item I need and/or want. I use Sage Fly Rods and Lamson reels almost exclusively. The price is the same no matter where I buy them from. Therefore, it is extremely advantageous to shop in actual brick and mortar stores where I am helping the local economy, instead of shopping online. I give my money to the businesses that I like. Just my 2 cents.
 
I am new here, but I gotta say that MAP pricing is very common. Almost every brand name in the reefing hobby and in Fly Fishing are all MAP priced. It has nothing to do with the Free Market. I personally love it because it makes it very easy to shop for the item I need and/or want. I use Sage Fly Rods and Lamson reels almost exclusively. The price is the same no matter where I buy them from. Therefore, it is extremely advantageous to shop in actual brick and mortar stores where I am helping the local economy, instead of shopping online. I give my money to the businesses that I like. Just my 2 cents.

It all depends ,if you import products from overseas impossible to sell the product forcthe same price as the manufacturer,there are shipping and import fees ,unless there is a huge discount on the product but that is not common
 
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