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Modelship Dockyard - New Kit [Modelship Dockyard] PoF H.M.S. Enterprize 1774, the 1/48 version!

There is no indication of floor and futtock riders being used on Enterprize 1774,
Looking at various contemporary inboard profile drawings, the Enterprize class shows none, while other larger ships inboard profile plans do show their location, number, siding, etc. If you look at the scantlings for floor and futtock riders in Steel's Elements and Practice of Naval Architecture and The Shipbuilder's Repository 1788 no ships of 44 guns or less had floor riders, or futtock riders. Barring better contemporary sources, it is probably safe to assume there were none on a small ship like Enterprize 1774.
Allan
 
Looking at various contemporary inboard profile drawings, the Enterprize class shows none, while other larger ships inboard profile plans do show their location, number, siding, etc. If you look at the scantlings for floor and futtock riders in Steel's Elements and Practice of Naval Architecture and The Shipbuilder's Repository 1788 no ships of 44 guns or less had floor riders, or futtock riders. Barring better contemporary sources, it is probably safe to assume there were none on a small ship like Enterprize 1774.
Allan
That's amazing. Did not know at all. Thanks, man!
 
That's amazing. Did not know at all. Thanks, man!
You are most welcome. :) All the 1719-1750 Establishments, Steel, and the Shipbuilder's Repository scantlings are in one book for a reasonable price from Seawatch Books. Sorry for the shameless sales pitch, but it can be extremely useful for both scratch and kit builds.
Allan
 
The italian for is "porche". They are those robust timbers in the photo wich ride the keelson at 90° degrees.

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They were installed up to the level of the waterline, or as in the picture above , up to the level of the Wales. (according to Goodwin-The Arming and Fitting of the ENGLISH MAN OF WAR 1650-1850 - pg 98-99). AR
 
They were installed up to the level of the waterline, or as in the picture above , up to the level of the Wales. (according to Goodwin-The Arming and Fitting of the ENGLISH MAN OF WAR 1650-1850 - pg 98-99). AR
I am traveling so have no access to my copy of Goodwin's book which is The Construction and Fitting of the English Man of War.. The Arming and Fitting of the English Man of War was not written by Peter Goodwin, but rather Brian Lavery. Regardless of which book you are referencing, does he specify or mention which rates carried riders?
Thankis Alex
Allan
 
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I am traveling so have no access to my copy of Goodwin's book. Does he specify or mention which rates carried riders?
Thankis Alex
Allan
I checked the magnificent Pegasus of @Giampy, strictly adherent to Antscherl's work on Swan Class' sloops, realising those inner structures weren't installed at all on ship of such burden. Thanks a lot to you all for the interesting and competent discussion.
 
In the beginning Goodwin is talking about first and second rates. Later he gives the information that you can use his formula also for smaller ships.
In Steel the smallest ship which has floor and futtock riders is the 50 gun ship.
As EPNA and also SR are primary sources and Goodwin is modern I would always follow EPNA and SR. In my opinion the construction of the Enterprise is fine.
 
Hi Alex,
I just edited my post above, but to be sure, which book are you referring to, Brian Lavery's, The Arming and Fitting of English Ships of War 1600-1815, or Peter Goodwin's book The Construction and Fitting of the English Man of War 1650-1850?
Thanks
Allan
 
Hi Alex,
I just edited my post above, but to be sure, which book are you referring to, Brian Lavery's, The Arming and Fitting of English Ships of War 1600-1815, or Peter Goodwin's book The Construction and Fitting of the English Man of War 1650-1850?
Thanks
Allan
Hi Allan- The futtock riders are discussed in various places in Peter Goodwin's book; pages 96, 97, 98, and 99 ! Oh, BTW, I just ordered the book on The 1719-1750 Establishments, Steel and the Shipbuilders' Repository Scantlings from Seawatch books on your recommendation...
Thanks
AR
 
For those of us that have ordered the kit, is there a chance we can get the instructions in advance? :)
If not, I understand. It's possible they may not even be ready yet. :)
Thanks ! I'm very excited ! I may even put the Fly aside to start this. ROTF
 
This construction manual is impressive indeed. Best I've seen so far. Even I can build a model with these. I'm eagerly waiting for my ship to arrive. Will the shipment escape Trump's Tax ???
If we get enough people building it, let's do a group build. I not, at least lest start the build at about the same time so we can help each other. Allan can be in charge of minutiae !
Alex R.
 
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