New to Wooden Ship Modeling

Nice to hear from you again Rob. I been building models of all types since I was probably 8 years old. I am also into HO model trains, and I have a layout in my shop. Now I am hooked on wooden Model ships. Right now, I prefer only American ships. I am starting to look at Model Expo 's catalog to see if I can find another ship.
Thank you for mentioning the conference coming up in April. I would love to go and see it and hopefully meet you.
 
Good morning, Rob, I am located in North Dighton, MA. It is 35 miles south of Boston next to Taunton MA. My wife and I have lived here over 30 plus years. Very small town and very rural. We love it here. I belong to several wooden model ship blogs one being a Constitution Blog. Also, this blog. I built my case right away as I wanted to get the ship protected. I bought the plans for the case, and I must say it came out perfect. There is a glass company in Taunton the came to my house and picked up the case and took it to their shop where they installed the glass. When it was done, they delivered it back to my house. My youngest son and I carried it down to my finished basement. I made a removable back on the case as it was very large. After cleaning the glass, we carefully place the Constitution in her home and put the back on and move her to her location. She has been there for several years now. She looks wonderful in her case. Putting model ships the size we build is very difficult. My cases have a wooden and glass frame, so the case has to be lifted up and over the ship. That is not an easy task. So far, no mishaps.
Are you using a Bob Hunt Practicum?
I just ordered it and also had a chance to correspond with Bob. I look forward to the practicums...I also ordered the rigging practicum.
 
Good morning, Rob, I am located in North Dighton, MA. It is 35 miles south of Boston next to Taunton MA. My wife and I have lived here over 30 plus years. Very small town and very rural. We love it here. I belong to several wooden model ship blogs one being a Constitution Blog. Also, this blog. I built my case right away as I wanted to get the ship protected. I bought the plans for the case, and I must say it came out perfect. There is a glass company in Taunton the came to my house and picked up the case and took it to their shop where they installed the glass. When it was done, they delivered it back to my house. My youngest son and I carried it down to my finished basement. I made a removable back on the case as it was very large. After cleaning the glass, we carefully place the Constitution in her home and put the back on and move her to her location. She has been there for several years now. She looks wonderful in her case. Putting model ships the size we build is very difficult. My cases have a wooden and glass frame, so the case has to be lifted up and over the ship. That is not an easy task. So far, no mishaps.
Are you using a Bob Hunt Practicum?
Bob shipped both practicums to me a couple days ago, so I wait in anticipation, lol.
 
Constitution is a particularly beautiful subject for modeling, although quite a challenge to do well and not generally recommended as a first effort. I presume you have far more knowledge of nautical nomenclature and marlinespike seamanship than most novice modelers and that should serve you well. That said, I would strongly urge you to complete the Model Shipways three kit "novice series" mentioned previously. It is designed to progressively present basic modeling evolutions which will prepare one for more complex models later on. As you've probably heard, there are a lot more complex (and costly) ship model kits purchased than there are ones that are ever finished. Complex builds tend to become increasingly challenging as construction progresses.

I don't know which Constitution kit you've purchased. They all seem to have their particular "kinks" and it's best to carefully review as many build logs as you can, particularly those for your brand of kit. This will prepare you for any inherent difficulties with your kit and their solutions.

I know that with everybody blowing encouraging smoke up your kiester, this is going to sound like the guy who said, "Other than this, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?" but I expect a few general suggestions for success that aren't in many instruction manuals I've seen over the years will be of perhaps presently unanticipated value to you later on:

1. Take your time. Never rush. Treat each part of the model like a model in itself. Strive for sharp edges, perfect fits, and perfectly smooth surfaces.

2. Take care to ensure that your "backbone," setup is absolutely perfect. Fair your bulkhead edges accurately and test them for fairness in every direction with a batten. (Carpenter's chalk rubbed on the batten will transfer to the high spots, identifying them. A batten with sandpaper glued to it can be used to fair the edges of bulkheads.) This step cannot be emphasized enough. If your setup isn't perfect, it will cause you nightmares when you try to plank it. Follow proper planking protocol: shape your planks perfectly before you hang them. Do not try to forcibly bend planks on the hull structure.

3. If anything isn't perfect, disassemble it and do it over again until it is correct. (For this reason, most experienced modelers use "reversible" adhesives which can be "undone," rather than permanent adhesives which might require destructive removal in order to correct an error.) The ultimate quality of your finished work is dependent upon the perfection of all the parts. Some will tell you "Perfect is the enemy of good enough." That may be true in a lot of things, but not in serious ship modeling.

4. Anytime you are using a new adhesive or paint, stain, or varnish, test it first on a scrap piece to be certain it is compatible with the substrate and any previously applied base coats. Be aware that many adhesives will soak into bare wood and affect the appearance of later stains and varnishes, and many coatings are incompatible with previously applied ones. All wooden parts should be sealed before applying base and finish coats. (Shellac is a good sealer for this purpose.) Do not attempt to fill surface flaws with thick paint or varnish coats. Make sure your parts are smooth and dust-free before applying finish coats. Apply paint as thinly as possible. Thick paint coats destroy scale detail. IMHO, more otherwise well-done models have been spoiled by poor paint jobs than anything else.

5. Always remain aware of the scale and what is and is not visible at "scale viewing distance." (E.g., a 1:48 scale model viewed from two feet away should look like what the viewer would see if they were viewing the prototype from 96 feet away.) Resist the urge to add out-of-scale detail. The most common of such errors are things like wildly oversized fastenings of contrasting color on planking and copper hull sheathing tacks which are invisible at scale viewing distance.

6. As Constitution exists and is extremely well documented, the modeler has little or no latitude for "creativity" and any deviation from her actual appearance (presently or at some depicted specific point in her long life) would be a glaring error. This isn't to say that every modeler isn't entitled to do whatever they want with their model, but where one is building a particular named vessel, the accepted convention is that the model should portray the prototype as accurately as possible.

Finally, I would strongly advise you not to use expanding foam on your model without conducting some fairly extensive experiments. Planked model hulls are surprisingly strong structures when completed but remain somewhat unstable until all the elements are connected. Expanding foam is capable of generating surprisingly powerful forces as it expands. Such expansion may push your bulkheads out of perfect perpendicular alignment with the keel, for example. Such misalignment can cause major difficulties as your build progresses and could even ultimately change the shape of the planked hull itself.

And, of course, don't forget to enjoy your modeling!
 
Hi Rob, I am just checking in to see how you are doing on your model of the Constitution. I am going to attend the Ship Model Conference and Show in New London. Conn. My son and I are going to be there early so we can have enough time to see everything. Hopefully we can meet. I have ordered another ship from Model Expo. It is the Model Shipways Fair American 1780 14-gun Privateer. Scale1/48 Length 26-1/2 " Height: 22". This will be my seventh ship.
 
You will enjoy using the practicum, and actually breathe a sigh of relief, because you will be able to “see the light at the end of the tunnel”. Rob where are you located? I’m in Belfast, ME.
I am in Poquoson, Virginia which is right next to Langley AFB. I moved there after retirement and work as a government contractor there. The cool thing is, I'm only 10 minutes from work.
 
Constitution is a particularly beautiful subject for modeling, although quite a challenge to do well and not generally recommended as a first effort. I presume you have far more knowledge of nautical nomenclature and marlinespike seamanship than most novice modelers and that should serve you well. That said, I would strongly urge you to complete the Model Shipways three kit "novice series" mentioned previously. It is designed to progressively present basic modeling evolutions which will prepare one for more complex models later on. As you've probably heard, there are a lot more complex (and costly) ship model kits purchased than there are ones that are ever finished. Complex builds tend to become increasingly challenging as construction progresses.

I don't know which Constitution kit you've purchased. They all seem to have their particular "kinks" and it's best to carefully review as many build logs as you can, particularly those for your brand of kit. This will prepare you for any inherent difficulties with your kit and their solutions.

I know that with everybody blowing encouraging smoke up your kiester, this is going to sound like the guy who said, "Other than this, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?" but I expect a few general suggestions for success that aren't in many instruction manuals I've seen over the years will be of perhaps presently unanticipated value to you later on:

1. Take your time. Never rush. Treat each part of the model like a model in itself. Strive for sharp edges, perfect fits, and perfectly smooth surfaces.

2. Take care to ensure that your "backbone," setup is absolutely perfect. Fair your bulkhead edges accurately and test them for fairness in every direction with a batten. (Carpenter's chalk rubbed on the batten will transfer to the high spots, identifying them. A batten with sandpaper glued to it can be used to fair the edges of bulkheads.) This step cannot be emphasized enough. If your setup isn't perfect, it will cause you nightmares when you try to plank it. Follow proper planking protocol: shape your planks perfectly before you hang them. Do not try to forcibly bend planks on the hull structure.

3. If anything isn't perfect, disassemble it and do it over again until it is correct. (For this reason, most experienced modelers use "reversible" adhesives which can be "undone," rather than permanent adhesives which might require destructive removal in order to correct an error.) The ultimate quality of your finished work is dependent upon the perfection of all the parts. Some will tell you "Perfect is the enemy of good enough." That may be true in a lot of things, but not in serious ship modeling.

4. Anytime you are using a new adhesive or paint, stain, or varnish, test it first on a scrap piece to be certain it is compatible with the substrate and any previously applied base coats. Be aware that many adhesives will soak into bare wood and affect the appearance of later stains and varnishes, and many coatings are incompatible with previously applied ones. All wooden parts should be sealed before applying base and finish coats. (Shellac is a good sealer for this purpose.) Do not attempt to fill surface flaws with thick paint or varnish coats. Make sure your parts are smooth and dust-free before applying finish coats. Apply paint as thinly as possible. Thick paint coats destroy scale detail. IMHO, more otherwise well-done models have been spoiled by poor paint jobs than anything else.

5. Always remain aware of the scale and what is and is not visible at "scale viewing distance." (E.g., a 1:48 scale model viewed from two feet away should look like what the viewer would see if they were viewing the prototype from 96 feet away.) Resist the urge to add out-of-scale detail. The most common of such errors are things like wildly oversized fastenings of contrasting color on planking and copper hull sheathing tacks which are invisible at scale viewing distance.

6. As Constitution exists and is extremely well documented, the modeler has little or no latitude for "creativity" and any deviation from her actual appearance (presently or at some depicted specific point in her long life) would be a glaring error. This isn't to say that every modeler isn't entitled to do whatever they want with their model, but where one is building a particular named vessel, the accepted convention is that the model should portray the prototype as accurately as possible.

Finally, I would strongly advise you not to use expanding foam on your model without conducting some fairly extensive experiments. Planked model hulls are surprisingly strong structures when completed but remain somewhat unstable until all the elements are connected. Expanding foam is capable of generating surprisingly powerful forces as it expands. Such expansion may push your bulkheads out of perfect perpendicular alignment with the keel, for example. Such misalignment can cause major difficulties as your build progresses and could even ultimately change the shape of the planked hull itself.

And, of course, don't forget to enjoy your modeling!

I am building the MS2040: Model Shipways USS CONSTITUTION 48" LONG 1:76 SCALE

I didn't work on the ship for about a week. I was away because of a death in my family. So, I started back last night in an attempt to build the bow framing/knighthead, etc.
 
Constitution is a particularly beautiful subject for modeling, although quite a challenge to do well and not generally recommended as a first effort. I presume you have far more knowledge of nautical nomenclature and marlinespike seamanship than most novice modelers and that should serve you well. That said, I would strongly urge you to complete the Model Shipways three kit "novice series" mentioned previously. It is designed to progressively present basic modeling evolutions which will prepare one for more complex models later on. As you've probably heard, there are a lot more complex (and costly) ship model kits purchased than there are ones that are ever finished. Complex builds tend to become increasingly challenging as construction progresses.

I don't know which Constitution kit you've purchased. They all seem to have their particular "kinks" and it's best to carefully review as many build logs as you can, particularly those for your brand of kit. This will prepare you for any inherent difficulties with your kit and their solutions.

I know that with everybody blowing encouraging smoke up your kiester, this is going to sound like the guy who said, "Other than this, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?" but I expect a few general suggestions for success that aren't in many instruction manuals I've seen over the years will be of perhaps presently unanticipated value to you later on:

1. Take your time. Never rush. Treat each part of the model like a model in itself. Strive for sharp edges, perfect fits, and perfectly smooth surfaces.

2. Take care to ensure that your "backbone," setup is absolutely perfect. Fair your bulkhead edges accurately and test them for fairness in every direction with a batten. (Carpenter's chalk rubbed on the batten will transfer to the high spots, identifying them. A batten with sandpaper glued to it can be used to fair the edges of bulkheads.) This step cannot be emphasized enough. If your setup isn't perfect, it will cause you nightmares when you try to plank it. Follow proper planking protocol: shape your planks perfectly before you hang them. Do not try to forcibly bend planks on the hull structure.

3. If anything isn't perfect, disassemble it and do it over again until it is correct. (For this reason, most experienced modelers use "reversible" adhesives which can be "undone," rather than permanent adhesives which might require destructive removal in order to correct an error.) The ultimate quality of your finished work is dependent upon the perfection of all the parts. Some will tell you "Perfect is the enemy of good enough." That may be true in a lot of things, but not in serious ship modeling.

4. Anytime you are using a new adhesive or paint, stain, or varnish, test it first on a scrap piece to be certain it is compatible with the substrate and any previously applied base coats. Be aware that many adhesives will soak into bare wood and affect the appearance of later stains and varnishes, and many coatings are incompatible with previously applied ones. All wooden parts should be sealed before applying base and finish coats. (Shellac is a good sealer for this purpose.) Do not attempt to fill surface flaws with thick paint or varnish coats. Make sure your parts are smooth and dust-free before applying finish coats. Apply paint as thinly as possible. Thick paint coats destroy scale detail. IMHO, more otherwise well-done models have been spoiled by poor paint jobs than anything else.

5. Always remain aware of the scale and what is and is not visible at "scale viewing distance." (E.g., a 1:48 scale model viewed from two feet away should look like what the viewer would see if they were viewing the prototype from 96 feet away.) Resist the urge to add out-of-scale detail. The most common of such errors are things like wildly oversized fastenings of contrasting color on planking and copper hull sheathing tacks which are invisible at scale viewing distance.

6. As Constitution exists and is extremely well documented, the modeler has little or no latitude for "creativity" and any deviation from her actual appearance (presently or at some depicted specific point in her long life) would be a glaring error. This isn't to say that every modeler isn't entitled to do whatever they want with their model, but where one is building a particular named vessel, the accepted convention is that the model should portray the prototype as accurately as possible.

Finally, I would strongly advise you not to use expanding foam on your model without conducting some fairly extensive experiments. Planked model hulls are surprisingly strong structures when completed but remain somewhat unstable until all the elements are connected. Expanding foam is capable of generating surprisingly powerful forces as it expands. Such expansion may push your bulkheads out of perfect perpendicular alignment with the keel, for example. Such misalignment can cause major difficulties as your build progresses and could even ultimately change the shape of the planked hull itself.

And, of course, don't forget to enjoy your modeling!
Thank you for your valuable guidance and insight. I just purchased Bob Hunt's practicums on the Constitution and the Rigging. I look forward to better amplifying and detail information that is not evident in the ship plans and the recommendation manual that comes with the kit. Your advice is definitely spot on. I experimented with different materials for the bow filler. You are correct about expandable foam which shrinks. The spray foam is really a pain and must be sprayed outside separately and then it needs to dry well before you can cut and sand it. However, over time it will expand and contract making it unstable. I tried the moldable foam used for making costumes. It was rubbery, but really sturdy. The problem is you can't make straight edges with it and although it can retain the basic shape, everything is rounded, so I wasn't going to take this chance. There was only one thing that works well and very promising and that was an Air-Dry Clay...I'll post the name of it later today. This is like handling magic sand where its soft and moldable, and you can shape it into just about anything, but you have to take your time because it's very soft, so you have to work a little slower, but when you're done, you're very close to the shape you need and it gets hard and dry and cutting and sanding work well with it. It gets surprisingly hard. I used this as a filler on the bow filler block because my shape was slight off from the centerline and now it where it needs to be before the rabbet for better planking support, so I layered the clay on the bow filler and when it dried, I sanded it down and it seems to have worked well. So, at least there is a possible solution at reproducing a filler block, but it can't be rushed. I recommend this over the other clays. If you don't use it to build the blocks, it's the best filler I've used yet and easy to use. So, the experiment is done unless someone can top that, lol!
 
Hi Rob, I am just checking in to see how you are doing on your model of the Constitution. I am going to attend the Ship Model Conference and Show in New London. Conn. My son and I are going to be there early so we can have enough time to see everything. Hopefully we can meet. I have ordered another ship from Model Expo. It is the Model Shipways Fair American 1780 14-gun Privateer. Scale1/48 Length 26-1/2 " Height: 22". This will be my seventh ship.
Jim
Yes I plan on being there. Driving down the night before and staying at the Springhill suites Mystic Waterford. Should be at the conference early to set up my two models.
 
Jim
Yes I plan on being there. Driving down the night before and staying at the Springhill suites Mystic Waterford. Should be at the conference early to set up my two models.
Hi Jim
Are you planning on being there the evening before. If so we could meet for dinner. send me your email so we can communicate privately. Mine is kingkahn1950@gmail.com
 
Good morning, Rob, as far as I know right now my son and I plan on being in New London around 9am the day of the conference. It is not that long of a trip for us as we are only 20 miles from Providence RI. My e-mail is edsie@comcast.net
 
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