How often would a ship made of oak in carribean waters need to be careened vs. a ship made of cedar
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Oak Vs.Cedar
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Hi @singhnick348 ,not sure if I understand your question.
Hallo @singhnick348 ,
it would be very helpful for help or answering the question (or others you made before), if you would explain us shortly why you are asking this and some other questions before related to different timber in the carribean.....are you working on some project?
I am writing this, because we are a forum for ship modeling and most of us have only limited information about the subject of real ships in a limited area of the world.
There are possibilities to find some data to get closer to an answer, but herefore you have to search for ship logs wehich were sailing in these waters and compare them, I guess a very time consuming challenge.......so please give us some background information...
it would be very helpful for help or answering the question (or others you made before), if you would explain us shortly why you are asking this and some other questions before related to different timber in the carribean.....are you working on some project?
I am writing this, because we are a forum for ship modeling and most of us have only limited information about the subject of real ships in a limited area of the world.
There are possibilities to find some data to get closer to an answer, but herefore you have to search for ship logs wehich were sailing in these waters and compare them, I guess a very time consuming challenge.......so please give us some background information...
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I thought the question was a bit vague
I took it as real ship building and not model building
my answer is ships have to be lighter in weight as they approach the top. English shipwrights would tapper the frames for less weight but the result was also less timber to protect the hull from cannon fire. In north America the bottom parts of the frames were White Oak and the upper parts were built up of solid timber and Cedar was used because it is much lighter in weight than Oak.
Cedar is much weaker than Oak so you could not build and entire ship from it, however for small vessels Alaskan Yellow cedar is used in boat building because it is resistant to rot but only for small boats and nothing like a man-o-war. Alaskan cedar is a weak wood and really not all that suitable for model ship building it is quite soft and it is often a bright lemon yellow when fresh cut and in time will turn orange..
I took it as real ship building and not model building
my answer is ships have to be lighter in weight as they approach the top. English shipwrights would tapper the frames for less weight but the result was also less timber to protect the hull from cannon fire. In north America the bottom parts of the frames were White Oak and the upper parts were built up of solid timber and Cedar was used because it is much lighter in weight than Oak.
Cedar is much weaker than Oak so you could not build and entire ship from it, however for small vessels Alaskan Yellow cedar is used in boat building because it is resistant to rot but only for small boats and nothing like a man-o-war. Alaskan cedar is a weak wood and really not all that suitable for model ship building it is quite soft and it is often a bright lemon yellow when fresh cut and in time will turn orange..
Somebody is praising on ladcan Cedar lately hogy good is that foe shipmodel building ,holding edges realy well and such,I have questions about that lol,sounds like the guy really wants tobsell that wood,you know Dave the rumor spreader Lol
Sorry about the confusion. I was trying to figure out a stain color for when it's time to stain the armed Virginia sloop. I want to model the avs after a early 18th century sloop.
Thanks singhnick348
Thanks singhnick348
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I have Alaskan cedar here and sell it mostly to the R/C guys for hull planking it is good for that because it is light weight and they put resin over it or paint it. Well it does hold an edge better than balsawood.
I would say it is a bright lemon colored Basswood actually it is not a cedar it is Cypress. problem with the wood is it is brittle and tends to split easy. It does have a fine grain and like Basswood makes a nice carving wood.
I would say it is a bright lemon colored Basswood actually it is not a cedar it is Cypress. problem with the wood is it is brittle and tends to split easy. It does have a fine grain and like Basswood makes a nice carving wood.
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