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OcCre San Filipe Rigging HELP!

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HELP! I’ve finished the hull and stepped the masts (OcCre 1/87 San Felipe 1690) and was looking ahead at the rigging plans. The standing rigging I can figure out, but the ‘plans’ for the running rigging have no identifications as to which mast is being referred to. I’ve always heard that OcCre is pretty casual when it comes to rigging instructions but what is provided is borderline ridiculous. Does anyone know what parts are being referred to on the plans labeled E,G, and H? Are they Fore, Main, Mizzen or simply showing one ‘typical’ mast rigging scheme for main, top, topgallant? I’ve messaged OcCre but their customer service is on par with their rigging instructions so I’m not too optimistic. I’m not accomplished enough to free lance it and I’ve already attached all the blocks to all the yards per OcCre’s diagrams so I’m not sure things would line up if I used a generic or ‘typical’ rigging plan. Suggestions?

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This is one principled scheme for all masts. I'm working on Artesania latina's "San Giovanni Battista" right now. And he dealt with the same problem for a few days.
 
Maks said:
This is one principled scheme for all masts. I'm working on Artesania latina's "San Giovanni Battista" right now. And he dealt with the same problem for a few days.
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Hi Maks, I ask : you do not have drawings out of Kit.Frank
 
Rigging seems to have varied from ship to ship regardless of nationality. There are rigging books for British ships such as James Lees Masting and Rigging or Anderson's The Rigging of Ships in the Days of the Spritsail Topmast that may be helpful and more realistic, including belaying plans and order of dressing. For example Spanish and English ships did not use belaying pins until the second half of the 18th century. Too late for this build, but a good rigging book is something you might find useful for future builds. After several email discussions with folks at OcCre, it seems that if accuracy is important to you relying on what they provide is not a good idea. You can also reach out the Museo Naval in Madrid for help and information.
Allan
 
Here are two of the ‘instructions’ pages in question. I can’t tell if these are generic or refer to specific masts.

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I can understand your concern/frustration. I bought the Victory from Occre and have only opened and inventoried the kit, but I have also reviewed all of the plans and documents included, bear in mind that this is a $1700 kit. The rigging plans are a bit sparse to me as well. But I spent considerable time and money on Amazon and ordered multiple new and out of print books to support the build, there are many out there on period rigging, at least for the English ships of the day. Try to find historical books on Spanish ship construction, armament, and rigging to supplement what Occre provided. Someone else can provide the reference, but I have seen post in SoS and website of original and historical ship plans, that might help you as well. Best of luck with this, I’ll where you are in a few years.
 
Judging by the plans of my "San Giovanni Battista," the drawings are common to medium-sized masts. Separately for the nasal and separately for the aft. I can take a picture of my drawings later.
 
your plans also include drawings showing the belaying pins by number, which the rigging also shows the line that goes to a specific pin. Such as, J50 on the mast rigging drawing corresponds to the belaying pin with that number. Looking at the pin numbers and correlating them to their respective masts shows which mast is which with respect to their location on the hull. Such as J50 is on the mizzen. And on the J drawing of your model.2025-02-09 (3).pngJ50.png
 
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