Planset review LA VENUS - 18-pdr frigate 1782" by J.Boudriot / H. Berti + "Structural Elements LA VENUS" by F. Fissore

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Planset Review:
LA VENUS - 18-pdr frigate 1782
by Jean Boudriot & Hubert Berti
in scale 1:48
+
Structural Elements LA VENUS

by Franco Fissore
in scale 1:48 with english translations by Francois Fougerat

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This monographie is available from ancre in different languages, which can be choosen - English / French or Italian
Also available is the same planset but in scale 1:72

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Important to explain the two parts of the drawing set which form the complete documentation:

La "Vénus" : frégate de 18, de l'ingénieur Sané, 1782, Paris, ANCRE, coll. « Archéologie navale française », 1979 (ISBN 2-903-179-01-8) was the first monographie Jean Boudriot in cooperation with Hubert Berti published in 1979. This monographie contents a small booklet plus 13 plans. At this time no drawings of the frames were included, so the modelers had to construct the framing based on the lines by themself.


This gap of the original documentation was closed later on by ancre with the additional 16 drawings with the title STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS LA VÉNUS (french Charpente de la Venus) drawn by F. Fissore


The mentioned parts of the monographie can be ordered from ancre together or also separate.


Some words about the Ship:

from wikipedia:

Vénus was a 38-gun Hébé-class frigate of the French Navy.
In the summer of 1782, Vénus operated as a transport between Rochefort and Île de Ré. She served in Martinique during the American War of Independence.
From 1785 to 1788, Vénus undertook a scientific expedition in the Indian Ocean, under Captain de Rossily.
Vénus was wrecked in a storm on her way back to France, on 31 December 1788

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HMS Amelia, ex-Prosperine (sistership of the Hebe-class)



SYNOPSIS:

MONOGRAPHIE DE LA VENUS - Frégate de 18 - 1782


The frigate La Vénus, referred to as an 18-pdr because of the caliber of her main artillery, was conceived and designed by the engineer Sané and built in Brest in 1782. It is one of the prototypes of the 143 similar frigates which were to be built in every port of France and continental Europe from 1780 to the end of the French Empire.

Often imitated by the British, Sané's 18-pdr frigates enjoyed remarkable success during their lengthy career. The last ones, built at the end of the Empire (1813) were not dropped from the lists until about 1850.

The French archives abound in accounts of the valorous actions led by Sané's frigates. Other episodes, like the story of the Médusé whose wreck was found on the banks of the Arguin are less commandable.

The documentation we offer here brings the Vénus to life. Further research, which was facilitated by documents in French and British archives, as well as archives in the many other countries occupied by the French Empire, enables the construction of the Vénus and other frigates of the same type with a particular decoration or distinguished military career. The Vénus herself had a non-combative and humanitarian career. Her captain, de Rossily, the former commander of the lugger LE COUREUR at the time of the famous battle of LA BELLE POULE, sailed her on a voyage of discovery in the Red Sea, the Persian Gulf, and the Indian Ocean before her complete disappearance during a hurricane with all crew and cargo, on 31 December 1788 after having set sail from Saint Paul de la Réunion.

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CONTENTS OF THE MONOGRAPH

75 p. booklet,
24x31cm format, including :

1. The history of frigates in the French navy
2. Analysis of the results of research which enabled the writing of the monograph
3. Commentary and analysis of 13 photographs of ship's models in the Musée de la Marine in Paris, two paintings by François Roux and two plates from the Atlas du génie maritime (The Atlas of Naval Genius)
4. History of the campaign of the Vénus in the Indian Ocean from 1785 to 1788
5. Detailed commentary with all necessary information on the 13 plates at 1:72 scale, with several drawings of details of fitting at 1:36 scale
6. Complete vocabulary of fitting and rigging.

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A set of 13 plates at 1:48 scale including

1. Shape of the hull, longitudinal plans
2. Shape of the hull, cross-cut plans, front and rear views of the frigate, cross-sections
3. Planking of the hull
4. Construction of the head,and the quarter galleries in the stern.
5. Plan of the ship's battery and a partial longitudinal section.
6. Plan of the forecastle and partial longitudinal section.
7. Fitting and details
8. Elements of the masting
9. Elements of rigging for masts and various pieces of fitting
10. Longitudinal sails and standing rigging
11. Installing the square sails of the foremast and mainmast, issue of rigging on the outside of the hull
12. Installing the square sails of the mizzenmast, issue of rigging on the deck.


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to be continued ..... go to the following post .....
 

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Planset Review: PART II
LA VENUS - 18-pdr frigate 1782
by Jean Boudriot & Hubert Berti
in scale 1:48
+
Structural Elements LA VENUS

by Franco Fissore
in scale 1:48 with english translations by Francois Fougerat


SYNOPSIS:

STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS LA VÉNUS - Franco Fissore Traduit par Francois Fougerat


A 32 page booklet in full color, including 14 pages on the realization of the framework with 50 color photos.
A cardboard box encloses the booklet and the 16 plates.

The monograph of La Venus is part of a series dedicated to the types of vessel most representative of our navy in the classical era. Thus, frigates have already been the subject of monographs such as La Belle Poule. La Venus is characterized by the artillery of her battery, armed with 18-pounders, and also by her designer, the naval architect Sane around 1780.
Our objective is to complete this monograph in order to enable modelers to construct a structural model that includes the interior furnishings.
The new plates that complete La Venus have been drawn according to the descriptive order that was used in previous publications.


CONTENTS OF THE MONOGRAPH


2 scales are proposed:
- The booklet and the 16 boards in 1 / 72e in a cardboard box.
- The booklet and 10 boards of the original VENUS in 1/48 with in addition the 16 boards of the frame at 1/48th in a cardboard box.

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The monograph is made up of the following

16 plates:

Plate XIV Hull timbering, side view
Plate XV Structural elements
Plate XVI Frame plans
Plate XVII Frame plans
Plate XVIII Frame plans
Plate XIX Frame plans
Plate XX Construction of the stern
Plate XXa Section 6 aft - 1 forward
Plate XXI Construction of the stern
Plate XXII Longitudinal section
Plate XXIII Arrangements in the hold
Plate XXIV Arrangements in the hold
Plate XXV Arrangements in the hold
Plate XXVI Upper deck layout
Plate XXVII Orlop deck layout
Plate XXVIII Gun-deck layout
Plate XXIX Longitudinal section
Side view of the painted hull

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At first glance, this monograph is directed to experienced modelers. With a proven skill, they will be able to construct a model with a rare quality, because of the innate elegance of this frigate, and I may add her beauty , the fine runs of her hull as well as her decoration which is a tribute to French naval architecture.
Translated by Francois Fougerat.
 

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Once more to the french Hebe class frigates

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From the six built frigates (Hebe, Venus, Dryade, Proserpine, Sibylle and Carmagnole), three were captured by the british and commissioned under the names HMS Leda, HMS Amelia and HMS Sybille.

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sheer & profile (ZAZ2260) of Amelia

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Lines & Profile (ZAZ2258) Proserpine



In addition the captured Hebe was the basis for the british shipbuilder to create a similar class of british frigates under the name of Leda-class


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Scale: 1:48. Plan showing the body plan, sheer lines, and longitudinal half-breadth for 'Leda' (1800), and later with alterations for 'Pomone' (1805), 'Shannon' (1806), 'Leonidas' (1807), 'Surprise' (1812), 'Lacedemonian' (1812), 'Tenedos' (1812), 'Lively' (1804), 'Trinocomalee' (1817), 'Amphitrite' (1816), 'Hebe' (1826), and 'Venus' (1820), all 38-gun Fifth Rate, Frigates. The draught was prepared from that of the captured French ship 'Hebe' (captured 1782). The plans for 'Amphitrite' and 'Trincomalee' were resent in 1813 on the 'Stirling Castle' after the capture of 'Java' by the US Frigate 'Constitution' in 1812. A duplicate set were dispatched on the Hon East India Company ship 'Tigris' in 1814. This plan was sent to Devonport, arriving on 20 January 1875. The plan was later sent to Chatham, arriving 8 July 1893, for making a half-model of 'Shannon' for the museum in the R. N. College, Greenwich

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Scale: 1:48. Plan showing the framing profile (disposition) for 'Leda' (1800), a 38-gun Fifth Rate, Frigate, building at Chatham Dockyard

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With the planset from ancre, you have a very good basis to built either a french Hebe-class frigate, and/or the captured one´s under the british flag,
or maybe also a later a british Leda-class when you use the lines etc.

I am thinking of using this planset for my next project ......
 
Hello all of you,
I haven't be very present lately, but it happens that I have the monographie of LA VENUS in English... Plus some other monographies from the French Maritime Museum as well as some books from Mr. J. Boudriot in french. My mother tongue is french, so if I can be of any help, it will be with great pleasure.
Happy modelling
Denis Gaille
P.S. I will be back soon with my new project: the first Greek schooner dated 1818 named TERPSICHORE
Happy modelling
This was posted by @Denis Gaille , but unfortunately the post disappeared, so therefore we copied his post in this way.... Sorry Denis
 
Planset Review: PART II
LA VENUS - 18-pdr frigate 1782
by Jean Boudriot & Hubert Berti
in scale 1:48
+
Structural Elements LA VENUS

by Franco Fissore
in scale 1:48 with english translations by Francois Fougerat


SYNOPSIS:

STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS LA VÉNUS
- Franco Fissore Traduit par Francois Fougerat



A 32 page booklet in full color, including 14 pages on the realization of the framework with 50 color photos.
A cardboard box encloses the booklet and the 16 plates.

The monograph of La Venus is part of a series dedicated to the types of vessel most representative of our navy in the classical era. Thus, frigates have already been the subject of monographs such as La Belle Poule. La Venus is characterized by the artillery of her battery, armed with 18-pounders, and also by her designer, the naval architect Sane around 1780.
Our objective is to complete this monograph in order to enable modelers to construct a structural model that includes the interior furnishings.
The new plates that complete La Venus have been drawn according to the descriptive order that was used in previous publications.


CONTENTS OF THE MONOGRAPH

2 scales are proposed:
- The booklet and the 16 boards in 1 / 72e in a cardboard box.
- The booklet and 10 boards of the original VENUS in 1/48 with in addition the 16 boards of the frame at 1/48th in a cardboard box.

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The monograph is made up of the following

16 plates:

Plate XIV Hull timbering, side view
Plate XV Structural elements
Plate XVI Frame plans
Plate XVII Frame plans
Plate XVIII Frame plans
Plate XIX Frame plans
Plate XX Construction of the stern
Plate XXa Section 6 aft - 1 forward
Plate XXI Construction of the stern
Plate XXII Longitudinal section
Plate XXIII Arrangements in the hold
Plate XXIV Arrangements in the hold
Plate XXV Arrangements in the hold
Plate XXVI Upper deck layout
Plate XXVII Orlop deck layout
Plate XXVIII Gun-deck layout
Plate XXIX Longitudinal section
Side view of the painted hull

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At first glance, this monograph is directed to experienced modelers. With a proven skill, they will be able to construct a model with a rare quality, because of the innate elegance of this frigate, and I may add her beauty , the fine runs of her hull as well as her decoration which is a tribute to French naval architecture.
Translated by Francois Fougerat.


Hello all of you,
I haven't be very present lately, but it happens that I have the monographie of LA VENUS in English... Plus some other monographies from the French Maritime Museum as well as some books from Mr. J. Boudriot in french. My mother tongue is french, so if I can be of any help, it will be with great pleasure.
Happy modelling
Denis Gaille
P.S. I will be back soon with my new project: the first Greek schooner dated 1818 named TERPSICHORE
 
Very nice review, Uwe.

The monograph was my first on from Ancre. I bought the book in the late '80s of the last century.
Now I have specialized a little bit on english ships, so I think that I will never build her.
 
Very nice review, Uwe.

The monograph was my first on from Ancre. I bought the book in the late '80s of the last century.
Now I have specialized a little bit on english ships, so I think that I will never build her.
Many thanks for your kind words
As you know I like the french very much, so I am in moment thinking about building the Venus or the L'Egyptienne - both beautiful ships o_O o_O

 
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