Planset Review: "LE COMMERCE DE MARSEILLE" (1788) 118-guns built by master shipwright Sané - by Gerard Delacroix

Uwek

Administrative
Staff member
Administrative
Moderator
Blandford Group Build
Joined
Dec 25, 2017
Messages
11,845
Points
928

Location
Vienna, Austria
Planset Review:
LE COMMERCE DE MARSEILLE (1788) - 118-guns
built by master shipwright Sané
planset by our member @G. DELACROIX
english translation by our member @Gilles Korent

IMG_27721.jpg IMG_27731.jpg IMG_27711.jpg IMG_27741.jpg
The booklet and plates are presented under a hard cover 24 x 34 x 9 cm
dressed with an illustrated jacket showing a three-decker under sails; original work by Jean Bellis.

IMG_27751.jpg

This planset is available in french language, also on request an english translation of the booklet (see Synopsis)


Excerpts of the drawings
Unbenannt.JPG

Unbenannt3.JPG Unbenannt2.JPG

Unbenannt1.JPG

The model’s dimensions (L x W x H) are as follow ( 1:48 scale):
Hull only: 1.60 m x 0.36 m x 0.43 m
Hull with masts and yards: 2.07 m x 0.80 m x 1.50 m



Some words about the ship

Commerce de Marseille was a 118-gun ship of the line of the French Navy, lead ship of the Océan class. She was funded by a don des vaisseaux donation from the chamber of commerce of Marseille.

Built on state-of-the-art plans by Sané, she was dubbed the "finest ship of the century". Her construction was difficult because of a lack of wood, and soon after her completion, she was disarmed, in March 1791.

Commerce-de-marseille-2.jpg
Commerce de Marseille at Toulon in 1788

Commerce de Marseille came under British control during the Siege of Toulon. When the city fell to the French, she evacuated the harbour for Portsmouth. She was briefly used as a stores ship, but on a journey to the Caribbean Sea, in 1795, she was badly damaged in a storm and had to limp back to Portsmouth. She remained there as a hulk until she was broken up in 1856.

in a following post I will write more about the class and show some photos of contemporary models

Commerce_de_Marseille-IMG_5773.jpg
1/48 scale model of the Océan class 120-gun ship of the line Commerce de Marseille On display at Marseille maritime museum


SYNOPSIS:

First rate ships (also called three-deckers) from the late 18th Century have always been fascinating to the period ship enthusiasts. Manned with more than a thousand sailors, these ships were fitted with 112 to 132 guns on 4 or even 5 levels. As genuine floating fortresses, the three-deckers from this era will be some of the largest wooden ships ever built. This monograph contains all the documentation needed to build “Le Commerce de Marseille”. This ship was built in Toulon in 1788 from the draughts by master shipwright JN Sané. This naval architecture genius is, with Borda, the author of the plans for the typical frigate, 74, 80 and 118 gun vessels. These ships, built from these plans, will arm our navy in great numbers for several decades.The 34 large format plates (90 x 170 cm) included in this voluminous work contain all the drawings necessary to build an entirely framed model; should the modeler chooses to do so. The set of plans also offers the opportunity to slightly modify the dispositions of the ship in order to build a “supposed” version of L’Orient which sunk during the battle of Nile in 1798. As in previous works, the plates also show detailed drawings of all the fittings, masting and sails.

This set of plans is complemented by a 110 page booklet where the reader is given a short history of these vessels and their construction, a biography of JN Sané. As well and as usual, the reader will find detailed explanations and comments about each and every plate.


IMG_27751.jpg IMG_27761.jpg


CONTENTS OF THE MONOGRAPH

booklet


110 pages, 24x31 cm format,

Although an English translation of the text is available, the full original French version of this monograph (plans and booklet) must be ordered by following the link above.
The English text is now available in the form of a professionally printed booklet.
This booklet follows the format used in the French version. Page numbering and text content are identical for easy reference as the two must be used simultaneously to view corresponding plan samples, images, etc….. which have not been reproduce in the translated booklet.

Index:
Preface by Jean Boudriot
First rate vessels (three-deckers) at the end of the 18th Century
Reconstitution
The crew and supplies
Short history of the first 5 vessels
Jacques Noel Sané 1740 – 1831
Comments and explanations of all the plates
Metal work
Painting the vessel
Rigging
Details on the tackles
Table of scantlings


IMG_27791.jpg

IMG_27811.jpg IMG_27801.jpg
the original french booklet

IMG_27771.jpg IMG_27781.jpg
comparison between french version (on the top) and english version without images

IMG_27821.jpg IMG_27831.jpg

IMG_27841.jpg

listing with dimensions of masts, yards and rigging
IMG_27851.jpg IMG_27861.jpg


to be continued ........ in the following post you can find Look Inside of the complete drawing set .....
 

Uwek

Administrative
Staff member
Administrative
Moderator
Blandford Group Build
Joined
Dec 25, 2017
Messages
11,845
Points
928

Location
Vienna, Austria
Planset Review: Part II
LE COMMERCE DE MARSEILLE (1788) - 118-guns
built by master shipwright Sané
planset by our member @G. DELACROIX
english translation by our member @Gilles Korent

numari10.jpg

CONTENT of Drawings

This works includes 34 plates at 1:48 scale:

1) Definition of the hull
2) Vertical sections
3) Framing parts
4) Frames and riders
5) Frames and riders
7) Frames and riders
8) Aft and stern framing
9) Hawse timbers
10) Hull framing
11) Beakhead and stem
12) Planking below the waterline (quickwork)
13) Longitudinal view of the framing
14) Cross sections
15) The hold
16) The orlop deck
17) First deck
18) Second deck
19) Third deck
20) Forecastle and quarterdeck
21) Poop deck and disposition of L’Orient
22) Top view
23) Longitudinal layout
24) Equipment and fittings 1
25) Equipment and fittings 2
26) Equipment and fittings 3
27) Equipment and fittings 4
28) Great view of the fitted hull
29) Front and aft views
30) Masts and yards
31) Mast fittings and blocks
32) Sails (1:96 scale)
33) Belaying points
34) Great view; the ship under sails (1:72 scale)


IMG_27881.jpg IMG_27891.jpg

IMG_27901.jpg IMG_27911.jpg

IMG_27921.jpg IMG_27931.jpg

IMG_27941.jpg IMG_27951.jpg

IMG_27961.jpg IMG_27971.jpg

IMG_27971.jpg

IMG_27981.jpg IMG_28001.jpg

IMG_28021.jpg IMG_28031.jpg

IMG_28041.jpg IMG_28071.jpg

IMG_28041.jpg

IMG_28051.jpg IMG_28061.jpg

IMG_28071.jpg

IMG_28081.jpg IMG_28091.jpg

IMG_28101.jpg IMG_28111.jpg

IMG_28101.jpg
 

Uwek

Administrative
Staff member
Administrative
Moderator
Blandford Group Build
Joined
Dec 25, 2017
Messages
11,845
Points
928

Location
Vienna, Austria
Some more information about the Commerce de Marseille and her class you can find here:


also several photos of contemporary models.......

Commerce_de_Marseille_mg_6174.jpg
 

Uwek

Administrative
Staff member
Administrative
Moderator
Blandford Group Build
Joined
Dec 25, 2017
Messages
11,845
Points
928

Location
Vienna, Austria
Great Fotos of a model construction of his Commerce de Marseille by master modeler Jean-Paul BOUR – at the bottom arrows to change pages

link:
I borrowed a photo from Gerards web-page showing the hull of the model in scale 1:48 - you can recognize the immens dimension of this model in scale 1:48
In the background his model of the Le Gros Ventre in the bigger scale 1:36
portrait.jpg
 

Uwek

Administrative
Staff member
Administrative
Moderator
Blandford Group Build
Joined
Dec 25, 2017
Messages
11,845
Points
928

Location
Vienna, Austria
The monograph is now available only via the Ancre web-page:


Available with the 110 page paper brochure in English at the end of February.
 
Top