Santa Ana 1784-Artesania Latina-1/84 bashed

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Hi All,

I am having a short break from my Saint Philippe scratchbuild due to a severe rash which may or may not have been caused by dust from the Red Padauk timber I have been using.Having a rest from working with it will enable me to establish if it is indeed this that has caused it.If it is,then I will need a rethink on how to work with it.This most probably be the acquisition of a spindle sander so I can use dust extraction.Currently,I have been using a benchtop Pillar drill with sanding drum and it does fill the shop with dust.

So,on to the kit,it was a case of a thought it had the potential to be greater than the sum of it's parts.It did contain lots of very good quality fittings and I felt,with some rework to the design and execution,a nice model with more than just a plausible likeness to the original could be created.This model has been sat on my workshop shelf for a couple of years with the skeleton assembled.

As it is,there is no getting away from the fact that Artesania designed a generic carcass for both this and their Victory kit.To be honest it's hull form falls somewhere between the two.It is very much like a happy medium.The stern is perhaps the biggest compromise and an area I will rework the most to have a greater likeness to the original vessel.I propose to use a lot of the original kit timber,but most not quite as intended.The cost of timber has dramatically increased since I started in the hobby and as result I will employ some clever thinking to keep the cost of additional timber down to a minimum.However,as the upper outer planking(topsides will be double planked)will be in Boxwood and Ebony,the cost will still add up.

One important point is that this is a side project.Saint Philippe is my core project and this is to serve as a break from shaping tons of Pearwood.I did ponder whether to start a log at all,but as I am making some significant "tweaks",I thought some of my techniques may be of use to others.Last time I did this was on Deagostini's Sovereign of the Seas.Unfortuneatly most of that build has long disappeared into the cyber ether.Only the bottom 3 inches of the keel remained from the original partwork,I won't be going quite so far with this build as it doesn't need all that scratch work.

Pictures to follow,probably at the weekend.

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Nigel
 

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Nigel,

I use a vac for my machines and this cleaner for my shop. The dust is to much with this kind of modeling and you must do anything to protect your health.
Good luck with your Santa Ana. Once i felt in love with this project. Unfortunatley becomes my personal vietnam war. Maybe it was good, it takes me to the scratch building.

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Up a little earlier today than normal so I have been able to take some pics of where I am up to before I go to work.

I did replace the three piece kit false keel with one piece one cut from sheet of 6mm ply.The kit supplied one had pieces of varying thicknesses.The stern counter has been reprofiled to be more in line with the original.
The skeleton has been infilled with pine.Pieces were cut and glued in so in effect it is hollow inside to keep the weight down.I have recontoured the bow to remove some of the bluff bow rounding,this was right for Victory,but not Santa Ana.
The ply jig on the top of the frames is just to hold them true and also to prevent breakages as I am working on the model.
The initial part of the stern facia has been made so that I can adjust the deck sheer to tie in with the balconies.The kit's deckline is a little too flat and will be tweaked.This isn't glued in place and will remain so for the timebeing.

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Nigel

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Nigel,

I use a vac for my machines and this cleaner for my shop. The dust is to much with this kind of modeling and you must do anything to protect your health.
Good luck with your Santa Ana. Once i felt in love with this project. Unfortunatley becomes my personal vietnam war. Maybe it was good, it takes me to the scratch building.

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I managed to find an extract from the builder's drawings on google which prints out on A3 paper.This is a handing point of reference for the correct deck sheer wale placement etc.
I have started the upper planking at the bottom of the main wale and have started to work upwards.I have also installed beams to support the next deck which will be made from 6mm ply,split down the middle and have the deck camber sanded on.Note the original deck supports will be removed once the jig is removed.
The brass nails are staying in,there will be boxwood veneer planks going over this.

Kind Regards

Nigel

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I am continuing upwards with the planking.The line of the gunports has now changed from what was intended from the kit.The deck beams I have fitted are my point of reference.In order to establish the base of the gunports on the lower gun deck I simply took a length of hardwood and clamping it to the top of the new deck beams it enabled me to measure down 16mm at each position.The point was marked by drilling a 0.5mm hole through the planking.This means these set out points will not be lost when the planking it sanded down.I did have to cut a small notch as the planking had gone slightly above the deck beams at the stern which you can see in the second picture.
When I do get to the stage of cutting the ports out,a batten can be pinned to the hull temporally running through these points, to allow me to draw a line of the bottom of the ports.The gunport's top and bottom cills a parallel to the deck,not the waterline as in the kit design.

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Hallo Nigel,
do you know also these plans?

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Graduated Bar Scale. Plan showing the body plan, sheer lines with inboard detail, and longitudinal half-breadth for an unnamed Spanish 112-gun three-decker. Spain built a number of 112-gun warships of which five were built at Ferrol, where Julian Martin de Retamosa was the shipbuilder. These included the 'Purisma Concepcion', 'San Jose' (1783), 'Santa Ana', 'Salvador del Mundo' (1787), and 'Reina Luisa'. It is possible that this plan was never approved or used to construct a 112-gun three-decker. Signed by Julian Martin de Retamosa [Shipbuilder and designer, and Lieutenant General of the Spanish Royal Navy].


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Scale: 1:48. Plan showing the body plan, sternboard outline, sheer lines with some inboard and figurehead, and longitudinal half-breadth for Salvador del Mundo (captured 1797), a captured Spanish First Rate. The plan illustrate the ship as taken off at Plymouth Dockyard when a 112-gun First Rate, three-decker. Signed by Joseph Tucker [Master Shipwright, Plymouth Dockyard, 1802-1813].

 

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Thanks Uwe I haven't seen those before.There are small but noticeable differences between those and the one I posted.Given that Santa Ana was the first of several ships in the class,it is feasible that the design was tweaked as the ships were built.
I am trying to produce a more accurate representation from the kit but at the same time,not chuck 90% in the trash,so there is a balancing act of not going too mad with alterations.
However,I do like the entry port and boarding ladder on the first plan you posted,mmROTF.Rather appealing seeing the kit comes with full cannons and carriages on this deck upwards

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Nigel
 

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Thanks Uwe I haven't seen those before.There are small but noticeable differences between those and the one I posted.Given that Santa Ana was the first of several ships in the class,it is feasible that the design was tweaked as the ships were built.
I am trying to produce a more accurate representation from the kit but at the same time,not chuck 90% in the trash,so there is a balancing act of not going too mad with alterations.
However,I do like the entry port and boarding ladder on the first plan you posted,mmROTF.Rather appealing seeing the kit comes with full cannons and carriages on this deck upwards

Kind Regards

Nigel
I tried to find the drawings also here, but there is no search function here...... but the advantage is, that you can download the drawings in a much better quality
 

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I managed to find an extract from the builder's drawings on google which prints out on A3 paper.This is a handing point of reference for the correct deck sheer wale placement etc.
I have started the upper planking at the bottom of the main wale and have started to work upwards.I have also installed beams to support the next deck which will be made from 6mm ply,split down the middle and have the deck camber sanded on.Note the original deck supports will be removed once the jig is removed.
The brass nails are staying in,there will be boxwood veneer planks going over this.

Kind Regards

Nigel

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She is just perfect. You should definitely continue building the model. I am subscribed!
 

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Hi Nigel,
you are a true legend my friend. You must have 4 models under construction at present.

Keep up the great work.
Thanks mate,to be truthful I have too many projects but I am enjoying myself and that is what it's all about.The number is actually well above four,not all are online:rolleyes:

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Nigel
 
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