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Hello everyone,
I have build three sailing ships in the past 8 years (HMS bounty - La Couronne - The Harvey) and I am now thinking to buy something more challanging. The Wasa has been always my favourite but prices around Melbourne for this model are about 1000 dollars and more for Corel kit, quite expensive. I have found instead the Wasa 1:75 Billing Boats cheaper online but this kit has 1 plank only and I am wondering if this is enough, and also the material looks like pine or something similar. I know that walnut is one of the best but, What do you think it is worth?
 
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Did you check out the partwork kit from Deagostimi?

Did you check out the partwork kit from Deagostimi?

Not yet, thanks for the link i'll have a look. It's very hard to find this model here, it is always out of stock and prices are crazy.
 
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Hello everyone,
I would like to ask an advice from you guys. For years I always wanted to build the Wasa "Corel/Mantua" or the HMS Victory, I always preferred more the Wasa becauso of the shape and details and I found a kit from Billing boats for a reasonable price but, I'm undecided now whether to buy that one or the HMS Victory Artesania 1/84.
What do you think? Which model would you buy and which one has better quality material and plans? Also Seeing many photos of the Victory seems much more complex and longer.
 

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Hello everyone,
I would like to ask an advice from you guys. For years I always wanted to build the Wasa "Corel/Mantua" or the HMS Victory, I always preferred more the Wasa becauso of the shape and details and I found a kit from Billing boats for a reasonable price but, I'm undecided now whether to buy that one or the HMS Victory Artesania 1/84.
What do you think? Which model would you buy and which one has better quality material and plans? Also Seeing many photos of the Victory seems much more complex and longer.
Somehow it is a question of taste - and I also guess of compromises which you want to take.....

Did you see the interesting building log by @PeterG in SOS of the Billing Wasa?


Due to the fact that the Billing Wasa is an older kit, they still use a lot of plastic elements, especially also the figurines and ornaments, but as I remember also partly the rigging blocks etc. - so there will be some bashing necessary

The Victory of Artesania........ comes with sail set, but has only a single planking (as I remember) - this you have to like, or you could decide to copper the hull
But the fittings are looking much better

Here an interesting kit review by @Mproske :
 
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Somehow it is a question of taste - and I also guess of compromises which you want to take.....

Did you see the interesting building log by @PeterG in SOS of the Billing Wasa?


Due to the fact that the Billing Wasa is an older kit, they still use a lot of plastic elements, especially also the figurines and ornaments, but as I remember also partly the rigging blocks etc. - so there will be some bashing necessary

The Victory of Artesania........ comes with sail set, but has only a single planking (as I remember) - this you have to like, or you could decide to copper the hull
But the fittings are looking much better

Here an interesting kit review by @Mproske :
Hi Uwek,
Thanks for the reply, What do you mean for bashing necessary? Sorry my bad english..translator didn't help much this time.
I saw both the logs yes and they are very well made models, there are no comparisons they are completely different. I don't like so much the ornaments made with plastic and the quality of the wood also insn't one of the best, I woulod change it too with something else.
At this point I prefer Artesiana, better quality wood, ornaments and of course fittings, I'm a bit concerned about the time to biuld it due to the complexity of the the details. I heard that it can take 2 to 10 years to build it.
 

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Hi Uwek,
Thanks for the reply, What do you mean for bashing necessary? Sorry my bad english..translator didn't help much this time.
I saw both the logs yes and they are very well made models, there are no comparisons they are completely different. I don't like so much the ornaments made with plastic and the quality of the wood also insn't one of the best, I woulod change it too with something else.
At this point I prefer Artesiana, better quality wood, ornaments and of course fittings, I'm a bit concerned about the time to biuld it due to the complexity of the the details. I heard that it can take 2 to 10 years to build it.
With bashing I mean the changing of material and partly scratch building of some parts. So partly not out of the box of the kit, in order to make the model better in quality...... f.e. already the changing of the plastic blocks and using of wooden blocks from any supplier is some kind of bashing.
To built a Victory takes every time a lot of time, especially if you want to build the model accurate. You have to see f.e. that you have to install 100 guns and not only 12 or 24 - means you have to install also 100 times the tackles for the guns. You have install 100 times the gunport lids etc.
From the time: to count the construction time in years is often wrong, due to the fact, that some people have only during the weekends some hours available, some other modelers are able to work every day 8 or more hours on the model - so I count more the working hours....... and a Victory will consume several hundreds of hours - and if you want to build the model very accurate, can also easily 1.000 hours
-> I say every time, that ship modeling is a very cheap hobby, if you see the costs per hour. So the Artesania Victory will cost you only 0,5 Euro per hour
But maybe think about something else....
In my opinion, what I saw until now, the Best HMS Victory model is the version from Caldercraft / Jotika in scale 1:72 - yes bigger and the quality is definitely the best in moment on the market....... here you have "only" 1 Euro/hour - but I am pretty sure you get more fun for this 1 Euro

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Just an idea

Take also look here at the building log by @nick-edw :

 
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With bashing I mean the changing of material and partly scratch building of some parts. So partly not out of the box of the kit, in order to make the model better in quality...... f.e. already the changing of the plastic blocks and using of wooden blocks from any supplier is some kind of bashing.
To built a Victory takes every time a lot of time, especially if you want to build the model accurate. You have to see f.e. that you have to install 100 guns and not only 12 or 24 - means you have to install also 100 times the tackles for the guns. You have install 100 times the gunport lids etc.
From the time: to count the construction time in years is often wrong, due to the fact, that some people have only during the weekends some hours available, some other modelers are able to work every day 8 or more hours on the model - so I count more the working hours....... and a Victory will consume several hundreds of hours - and if you want to build the model very accurate, can also easily 1.000 hours
-> I say every time, that ship modeling is a very cheap hobby, if you see the costs per hour. So the Artesania Victory will cost you only 0,5 Euro per hour
But maybe think about something else....
In my opinion, what I saw until now, the Best HMS Victory model is the version from Caldercraft / Jotika in scale 1:72 - yes bigger and the quality is definitely the best in moment on the market....... here you have "only" 1 Euro/hour - but I am pretty sure you get more fun for this 1 Euro

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Just an idea

Take also look here at the building log by @nick-edw :

Hi Uwek,
thanks for the help and sorry for late reply I have been working hard this week. Thank god it's the weekend and I can relax a bit.
Now make sense, I changed already my mind, personally the Wasa kit would cost me 570 Australian dollars and knowing that some parts are made by plastic replacing them will cost me more. Nothing wrong with it can be still a great model but I will end up for sure to spend around 650 dollars or even more. At this point the HMS victory artesania is 800 bucks and the quality of materials is much better. The calderdraft also is a great kit.
So hard to find them and decide which one to build.
 
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Hallo Sparrow . I've built Wasa from Billing boats and from Corel. I must say the difference is very big. Lot of plastic in Billing boats. Much more fun with Corel. It takes a lot of hours and if you really want a great pleasure. Choose the Corel. Expenive..yes, but so much funnier. /Gotland
 
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My Coral victory was built nearly 30 years ago, it was good for its time but in recent years have built Agammenon and Diane from caldercraft-very good and worth the extra money considering the time/frustration element. Single plank hulls , in my opinion, just about OK if painted. You can always by some extra strips for a second layer (which I've done) without too much extra work to fiddle with the change of size. I generalize, but single plank are cheaper because the rest of the kit is also cheaper and often inferior. These are much more difficult to work with and the final result may disappoint.
 
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Sparrow,
Much has been written over the years - as long as you know that the Corel example is THE LEAST accurate of any of the other three kits available. I know haha
I spent 5 years trying to get the Corel example to look more as the 1:1. I did not know, when I bought the kit about the others.
Zoltan's suggestion IMO is your best choice (The DeAgostini kit) that kit just recently became available.

Good luck
 
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Hallo Sparrow . I've built Wasa from Billing boats and from Corel. I must say the difference is very big. Lot of plastic in Billing boats. Much more fun with Corel. It takes a lot of hours and if you really want a great pleasure. Choose the Corel. Expenive..yes, but so much funnier. /Gotland
Hi Gotland, definitely if I buy the Wasa I'll choose the Corel kit. From the photos the fittings are better quality also the wooden stripsn and everything well packed. Thanks for visiting my topic and the help.
 
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My Coral victory was built nearly 30 years ago, it was good for its time but in recent years have built Agammenon and Diane from caldercraft-very good and worth the extra money considering the time/frustration element. Single plank hulls , in my opinion, just about OK if painted. You can always by some extra strips for a second layer (which I've done) without too much extra work to fiddle with the change of size. I generalize, but single plank are cheaper because the rest of the kit is also cheaper and often inferior. These are much more difficult to work with and the final result may disappoint.
Hi Stuglo,
Yes You are right single plank is very hard to build it, you have to make sure to don't leave gaps between the strips of wood. When I build the HMS Bounty my first kit with double plank I had so much fun even tough It took more time and I was happy with the result, I could sand it slowly and apply the second plank without problems. For the second model La couronne only 1 plank was really hard, I couldn't sand the plank too much otherwise the lyers of wood would have been to thin and weak. So instead had to use a bit of gap filler and painted 3 times with Varnish satin.
I like the Agamemnon, from first sight it looks like the Victory but is not.
 
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Sparrow,
Much has been written over the years - as long as you know that the Corel example is THE LEAST accurate of any of the other three kits available. I know haha
I spent 5 years trying to get the Corel example to look more as the 1:1. I did not know, when I bought the kit about the others.
Zoltan's suggestion IMO is your best choice (The DeAgostini kit) that kit just recently became available.

Good luck
Thanks for the help and yes it is, I am tempted to buy it.
 
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Hi Sparrow,

My choice was of the Billing’s Wasa was influenced largely by hull shape and design rather than the ‘plastic’ parts or the single planking. In my case I single planked but substituted easily available mahogany planking which was easy to work and produced a beautiful hull finish. I also would not be put off by the plastic sculptures - they actually have many advantages over the metal ones as provided by Corel.

I suggest you review my build log, plus some of the other Corel and Billing builders.

Regards,

PeterG
 
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Hi Sparrow,

My choice was of the Billing’s Wasa was influenced largely by hull shape and design rather than the ‘plastic’ parts or the single planking. In my case I single planked but substituted easily available mahogany planking which was easy to work and produced a beautiful hull finish. I also would not be put off by the plastic sculptures - they actually have many advantages over the metal ones as provided by Corel.

I suggest you review my build log, plus some of the other Corel and Billing builders.

Regards,

PeterG
Hi Peter,
That's also true yep, you made a beautifull model I love it!! I visited and read everything about your Wasa many times that's why I made the decision to buy it but still thinking about it.
 
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Hi everyone,
Any of you have experience with the “Sovereign of the seas”??
I had a look a few of them on here and they are very interesting. What is the difference between for example the Sergal version and the Manuta. What are your thoughts??
 
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Built the Mantua many years ago and for its time it was good. Lots of detail (castings) and "good " wood . Managed with the plans as were without all the online support and literature that is now available. How this compares to the Sergal I do not know, but at the time, Mantua/Panart were considered some of the best kits.
 
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Built the Mantua many years ago and for its time it was good. Lots of detail (castings) and "good " wood . Managed with the plans as were without all the online support and literature that is now available. How this compares to the Sergal I do not know, but at the time, Mantua/Panart were considered some of the best kits.
Hi Stuglo,
The “Golden Evil” how beautiful is it!? Everyone dreams to build this ship and beside the WasaCorel/Hms Victory Calderdraft I’m considering also this one. Now just deciding.
Do you have pictures of your model? Would love to see it.
Yes this kit has high quality documentation fittings, wood such as lime and walnut and much more. I’m not sure about the decorations some of them are different from Mantua/ Sergal or Panart I reckon, also the colors I’m a bit confused. Some models are painted blue or black all around the ornaments and the very bottom of the ship “sorry my bad english terms I’m still learning all the names and terminology” is painted white.
 
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