SPANISH GALLEON XVII. GALEON DEL AZOGUE

ramonolivenza

Well-Known Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2018
Messages
270
Points
313

Location
Madrid, España
Desde el punto de vista del modelismo naval la situación es un tanto desoladora.

A pesar de gozar de una extraordinaria popularidad entre el público en general (sobre todo por las películas de piratas etc y por ser un objeto de deseo onírico-fabuloso para el público del norte de Europa) lo cierto es que los modelos dejan mucho que desear.

Los modelos “normales” tipo kit vienen a disfrazar galeones ingleses tipo “Golden Hind” como españoles San Franciso, San Martin o cualquier otro santo. Son galeones irreales con decoración geometrica sacadas en gran medida del tratado de Mathew Baker y que no tienen que ver nada un verdadero galeón español de la “Carrera de Indias”.

En galeones de alta calidad, la cosa mejora pero con importantes carencias en cuanto a la arquitectura interna. En piezas anteriores a internet (sobre todo) se suele cometer un error muy común y es retrotraer la bien conocida arquitectura naval del siglo XVIII al XVII. Se suelen representar galeones con cuadernas encoramentadas en vez de “varenga/genol” etc.

Muchas carácterísticas propias como el emplomado o la quilla a tope no se reproducen.

Una peculiaridad de los galeones españoles es que existe abundantisima documentación y reglamentación oficial sobre ellos desde el siglo XVI por lo que se puede tener una idea muy aproximada de arquitectura.

Actualmente hay unos magnificos tratados que permiten abordar con confianza un modelos de buena fidelidad técnica. Cito dos el tratado de Cayetano Hormaechea y los de Enrique Garcia Torralba, pero hay mas.

En mi modelo intento acercarme en lo posible a lo que fué (por dentro y por fuera) un galeón español grande (19 codos) de la Carrera de Indias en su viaje de ida.



From the point of view of naval modeling the situation is somewhat bleak.

Despite enjoying an extraordinary popularity among the general public (especially pirate movies etc and for being an object of dreamlike desire-fabulous for the public of northern Europe) the truth is that the models leave much to be desired .

The "normal" kit models come to disguise English "Hind Hind" galleons as Spanish San Francisco, San Martin or any other saint. They are unreal galleons with geometric decoration derived largely from the Treaty of Mathew Baker and that have nothing to do with a true Spanish galleon of the "Race of the Indies".

In high-quality galleons, things improve but with important shortcomings in terms of internal architecture. In pieces prior to the Internet (especially) it is common to make a very common mistake and is to bring back the well-known naval architecture from the 18th to the 16-17th centuries. They are usually represented galleons with encoded frames instead of "varenga / genol" etc.

Many characteristic ones such as the leaded or the keel to stop do not reproduce.

A peculiarity of the Spanish galleons is that there is an abundance of documentation and official regulations on them since the sixteenth century so you can have a very approximate idea of architecture.

Currently there are some magnificent treaties that allow you to confidently approach a model of good technical fidelity. I mention the treaty of Cayetano Hormaechea and those of Enrique Garcia Torralba, but there are more.

In my model I try to get as close as possible to what was (inside and out) a large Spanish galleon (19 cubits, codos de ribera) of the Carrera de Indias on its outward journey.
 

ramonolivenza

Well-Known Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2018
Messages
270
Points
313

Location
Madrid, España
there is a historical error,17th century did not have copper plating(english google translate)
[/QUOTE]
Es plomo y no cobre. Se usa en naves españolas desde 1514. Ver Tratado de Galafateria y carena de Naos (ed Antonio Rico de Mata) 1689. Advertencia décimatercia; y Real cédula 12 de julio de 1514.
Tienes el documento en el Archivo General de Indias, tomo 3253, folio 185
También la carta de Antonio Medrano a Juan Bautista Lezcano de 1664 sobre la importación de planchas de plomo para carena. Arch General Indias 2515 legajo 2..
Con respecto a Francia, Boudriot también cita al menos dos navíos emplomado en el XVII..
No hay ninguna duda histórica. Es un tema muy estudiado
 

Uwek

Admin
Staff member
Administrative
Blandford Group Build
Joined
Dec 25, 2017
Messages
8,278
Points
728

Location
Vienna, Austria
Hallo Ramon,

May I ask you two questions related to this photo:

aa.jpg

1) the nailing pattern of these metal plates is looking very realistic...... how do you make the nail-pattern? With a stamp?
Some posts ago you showed the metal foil, but please explain how you make the nailing pattern and the installation of them at the hull
(red arrows)

2) How you can make the heads of the nails flat? Interesting for me is the order when you do what? we can not see any grinding marks on the fabric?
(blue arrows)

It is looking fantastic !!!
 

ramonolivenza

Well-Known Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2018
Messages
270
Points
313

Location
Madrid, España
1 The pattern of the nails is done by hand. I do not use a stamp or any other system in series. I frame them with the tip of a file with the appropriate shape. At the end I give a touch of watercolor to simulate rust. The tin plates are glued with contact glue on the tarred fabric.IMG_20190523_091930.jpgIMG_20190523_091940.jpgIMG_20190523_092002.jpg
 
Top