Stove, galley, oven, firehearth, chimney - tech. details and development over time at different navies

[Uwek]

Friends,

we know a lot about armament of the ships we are building, we can find a lot of information about framing, stern construction and also admirals and royal stores.
But there are two subjects were not much information are avaiilable......sanitary and cooking
In one of our last posts we mentioned, that it would be good to start an extra topic discussing, describing and putting information together about the different kind of stoves and ovens, firehearth and chimneys etc.
Here we have to see also the development over the time as well in which navies the different types of cooking devices were used.
Important could be also the information from which source this information is (author and title of book or drawing with year of publication) if this info is available.

We suggest to start this topic as a conglomeration of the informations, drawings, book excerpts we have in following posts and after some time and enough information we can try to organize them.

So let us collect stives and galleys - the toilets will follow later

 

[Uwek]

From Brian Lavery book "THE ARMING AND FITTING OF ENGLISH SHIPS OF WAR 1600-1815" from year 1983

Lavery is decribing in his book in general the development from 1600 to 1815 if the british navy in chapter 36 "cooking" the following subjects:

The Situation of the Galley (where was best place to locate?)
Early Stoves (17.th century)
The Copper Kettle
The Firehearth (with drawing of a brick hearth of 1741)
The Iron Stove f.e of HMS Dorsetshire 1757
Dimensions of Iron Stove related to guns / Rate of ship dated 1775
Firehearth of gunboat at leigh 1797
Fireheath fitted to 100-gun HMS Royal Sovereign in 1785
Brodie Stove starting with 1781
Lamb and Nicholson Stoves
Chimneys with sketches of Types of galley chimneys
The Cook Room
Livestock f.e skecth of a chicken coop of 1814












take a look at complete the Book Review
Arming and Fitting of English Ships of War, 1600-1815 please click on the title!

 

[Peglegreg]

G'day Uwe
This is the topic I've been searching for.
I have been trying to find out what sort of covering that was on the Royal Caroline stove's chimney. I have emailed a couple of maritime museums to see if they knew the answer, but to now, no answer.
Do you know this answer mate?
Happymodeling
Greg

 

[Uwek]

G'day Uwe
This is the topic I've been searching for.
I have been trying to find out what sort of covering that was on the Royal Caroline stove's chimney. I have emailed a couple of maritime museums to see if they knew the answer, but to now, no answer.
Do you know this answer mate?
Happymodeling
Greg

Not immediately, but maybe with the time we will come closer to an answer.....

 

[Uwek]

This is the drawing excerpt from
the french Bomb ketch La Salamandre (1752) draughts by Jean Boudriot made in 1993





Unfortunately no descriptions to be find in the booklet

A complete book review of the planset you can find here:
Planset "The bomb ketch LA SALAMANDRE - 1752" Monograph with 34 plans in 1:48 by Jean Boudriot - Hubert Berti

 

[Uwek]

A typical Brodie Stove from the HMS Victory launched in 1765
taken from the book "HMS VICTORY - Her Construction, Career and Restoration" by Alan McGowan with drawings by John McKay

Due to the fact, that the Brodie Stove was earliest 1781 in use (as written in Laverys book and also in other publications) we can assume, that the Victory had before a normal iron stove, when she was launched and and fitted. The time for fitting until she realy started with her service was between 1765 and 1778, so 3 years before the Brodie Stove. Between 1787 and 1789 she was the first time refitted, so we can assume, that the Victory got her Brodie stove during this period. But maybe somewhere are some more detailed information available.

https://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=17

 

[Uwek]

french built Bonhomme Richard 1779, originally a merchant ship with 998 tonns, armament with 28 × 12-pound smoothbore, 6 × 18-pound smoothbore and 8 × 9-pound smoothbore. Total 380 officers and enlisted.

Bonhomme Richard, formerly Duc de Duras, was a warship in the Continental Navy. She was originally an East Indiaman, a merchant ship built in France for the French East India Company in 1765, for service between France and the Orient. She was placed at the disposal of John Paul Jones on 4 February 1779, by King Louis XVI of France as a result of a loan to the United States by French shipping magnate, Jacques-Donatien Le Ray.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Bonhomme_Richard_(1765)

Drawings of the stove from Jean Boudriot, taken from the monographie of his reconstruction of the ship, published by ancre







https://ancre.fr/en/monograph/54-monographie-du-bonhomme-richard-1779.html

 

[Uwek]

In Volume II of the book "THE 74 GUN SHIP 1780 - A Practical Treatise on the Art of Naval Architecture" published by Jean Boudriot in 1986
the following fittings for the french cook of a typical 74-gunner were described



Described are
Fire Hearths
Hanging Charcoal stoves
The copper
Bread and Pastry Oven
Cook´s Utensils
Kneading trough
Dough table
Oven-peel and ash-scoop etc.
and a list of Inventory of items coming under the Bo´Sun











In moment I checked only the content of the books, the drawing set i will do asap

 

[Mike41]

french built Bonhomme Richard 1779, originally a merchant ship with 998 tonns, armament with 28 × 12-pound smoothbore, 6 × 18-pound smoothbore and 8 × 9-pound smoothbore. Total 380 officers and enlisted.

Bonhomme Richard, formerly Duc de Duras, was a warship in the Continental Navy. She was originally an East Indiaman, a merchant ship built in France for the French East India Company in 1765, for service between France and the Orient. She was placed at the disposal of John Paul Jones on 4 February 1779, by King Louis XVI of France as a result of a loan to the United States by French shipping magnate, Jacques-Donatien Le Ray.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Bonhomme_Richard_(1765)

Drawings of the stove from Jean Boudriot, taken from the monographie of his reconstruction of the ship, published by ancre

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https://ancre.fr/en/monograph/54-monographie-du-bonhomme-richard-1779.html

Thanks Uwe,
There is a lot of useful information here, the Bonhomme Richard is on my ships to build list.
Mike

 

[Uwek]

Thanks Uwe,
There is a lot of useful information here, the Bonhomme Richard is on my ships to build list.
Mike

I have the complete planset and also another book written by Jean Boudriot with his reconstruction and plan to make the two reviews in short time.
I guess these books could be of great help for such a built.....

 

[Mike41]

I believe those books are a ‘must have’ for the build. I am looking forward to your reviews. Thanks!
Mike

 

[Peglegreg]

Not immediately, but maybe with the time we will come closer to an answer.....

Thanks mate.
I've been doing research on this for about 3 months and there seems to be no information about this subject.
I would assume, that the odd shape of the chimney on the Royal Caroline, it would have to be covered in some type of brick or terracotta type of material or maybe a composite of asbestos-hessian.
I doubt it would be just metal because of the heat from it would burn the decking.
Don't go to too much trouble, I just want to know so I can do the correct type of finish on my model.
Happymodeling
Greg

 

[Uwek]

Thanks mate.
I've been doing research on this for about 3 months and there seems to be no information about this subject.
I would assume, that the odd shape of the chimney on the Royal Caroline, it would have to be covered in some type of brick or terracotta type of material or maybe a composite of asbestos-hessian.
I doubt it would be just metal because of the heat from it would burn the decking.
Don't go to too much trouble, I just want to know so I can do the correct type of finish on my model.
Happymodeling
Greg

It seems realy, that the isolation was a big problem during the age of the wooden ships.
When I made the research for the "Today in History" I learnt about the fate of the HMS Boyne, a 98 gun ship launched in 1790

In the morning of the 1st May 1795, the ship was at anchor at Spithead. Her marines were exercising and carrying out firing practice with their muskets from their firing positions on the poop, forecastle and in the fighting tops. The wardroom stove was lit for the stewards to prepare the officer's breakfasts. The flue from the stove ran up through the Admiral's quarters on the upper gundeck. The heat from the iron flue seems to have set papers on Vice-Admiral Jervis's desk on fire. The fire spread rapidly in the Admiral's quarters and by the time it was discovered, flames were licking up out of the stern windows on that deck and had burst through the poop. It was too late to attempt to fight the fire. Within half an hour of the fire being discovered, HMS Boyne was engulfed in flames.

http://www.kenthistoryforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=17141.0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Boyne_(1790)

 

[Uwek]

Another stove from a french ship. In the following from the drawing set about the "Le Commerce de Marseille", a 118 gun ship built in Toulon 1788.
based on the original drauchts by Jacques Noel Sane


1/48 scale model of the Océan class 120-gun ship of the line Commerce de Marseille On display at Marseille maritime museum

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ship_Commerce_de_Marseille_(1788)
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commerce_de_Marseille
http://gerard.delacroix.pagesperso-orange.fr/118/jpb/jpb1.htm

The excerpts of the drawings are from the planset draught in scale 1:48 by the canadian Gerard Delacroix who worked long years with Jean Boudriot.
Here is the link to the wonderful planset available
http://gerard.delacroix.pagesperso-orange.fr/118/plaquette-e.htm



On the left hand everytime the drawing and usually on the right photo the text from the booklet / manual attached with the planset

 

[Mike41]

Hi Uwe,
You have an amazing number of plan sets, it will take you a long time to build them all lol.
Mike

 

[Uwek]

Hi Uwe,
You have an amazing number of plan sets, it will take you a long time to build them all lol.
Mike

To much ships to build..... I am also collecting books and drawings........"Hunting and Collecting"

 

[DocBlake]

I thought some might be interested in this tutorial on how to build a Brodie stove. The scale is 1:64. I used this as a basis for the 1:32 Brodie stove in my Lauck Street AVS build.

http://hmsfly.com/brodieGalleyStove.html

 

[Uwek]

@DocBlake , many thanks for these basic in formation and the Tutorial - Great additional info

Today I made a copy of the hearth of the Xebec Le Requin 17.50, The excerpts of the drawings are from the planset in scale 1;48 by Jean Boudriot.







Asap I will make a review of the complete drawing set.....

 

[Uwek]

The Hearth of a small french barque La Belle 1684, based on the draughts by Jean Boudriot (a Planset review will follow asap)







https://ancre.fr/en/monograph/30-monographie-de-la-belle-barque-1680.html

 

[Uwek]

I found a beautiful model of the La Belle here - very interesting!

http://5500.forumactif.org/t795-la-belle-1-24-nostromo

with some photos of the hearth