Telltales/Telltails

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How to attach telltales in a real and good way? You use a needle and thread, I understand but how?
 
are you looking for the fine threads showing the direction of wind directly on the sail,
or the reefing lines to reef the sails?
 
I mean the fine theats showing the wind direction placed directly on the sail. Do they not called telltales or telltails?
 
I mean the fine theats showing the wind direction placed directly on the sail. Do they not called telltales or telltails?
The term is correct - I made until now only the reefing lines, which are bigger in diameter.
In which scale you have to make them?
 
Modern day racing sailors do use tell tell tails on their sails — but I’m not aware that professional working mariners ever needed them. Anyone ever hear of them being used on traditional rigs?
 
If you Google: ‘Davis Instruments tell tales’ you’ll see commercially available packs of 1/4 inch wide nylon spinnaker cloth strips about 6 inches long with self adhesive patches to stick them to sails. They work just fine and don’t stick to wet sails, so you can see air flow over the sail
 
Modern day racing sailors do use tell tell tails on their sails — but I’m not aware that professional working mariners ever needed them. Anyone ever hear of them being used on traditional

Modern day racing sailors do use tell tell tails on their sails — but I’m not aware that professional working mariners ever needed them. Anyone ever hear of them being used on traditional rigs?
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Here you can see them.
 
Those are reef points. (what a tiny photo!)1661633369301.png

These lines hang down on both sides of the sail, and their purpose it to give sailors something easier hold onto that just sail cloth when hauling the sail up to the yard when furling the sail. They are not there for the purpose of showing the air flow across the sail to allow modern sailboat sailors to perfectly trim their sails for efficiency using the airfoil effect to generate force, which are telltales. Propeller driven aircraft have been using tell tails for many decades to detect when they are approaching a stall condition. The flutter of a wing's telltale shows turbulent airflow, and signals that to the pilot. It is possible that reefing lines could act as a wind flow indicator to a small extent, but that it not their intended purpose. Reefing lines are there to make the sailor's job of reefing in large sails easier. I am unaware that large square rigged ships ever used talltales, but it is possible. Pennants or streamers would tell the sailors the direction of the wind quite well. Modern sailboats rigged with fore-aft sailors such as the common Bermuda sloop us telltales to get the most apparent wind (force due to the airfoil effect) as possible with their sails. The sails on these boats today are much flatter than those of old square rigged vessels. Early 17th century men of war had deeply bellied sales compared to later ship of the 18th century, and thus trimming a sail using telltales would probably have not been in practice.
 
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Those are reef points. (what a tiny photo!)View attachment 325723

These lines hang down on both sides of the sail, and their purpose it to give sailors something easier hold onto that just sail cloth when hauling the sail up to the yard when furling the sail. They are not there for the purpose of showing the air flow across the sail to allow modern sailboat sailors to perfectly trim their sails for efficiency using the airfoil effect to generate force, which are telltales. Propeller driven aircraft have been using tell tails for many decades to detect when they are approaching a stall condition. The flutter of a wing's telltale shows turbulent airflow, and signals that to the pilot. It is possible that reefing lines could act as a wind flow indicator to a small extent, but that it not their intended purpose. Reefing lines are there to make the sailor's job of reefing in large sails easier. I am unaware that large square rigged ships ever used talltales, but it is possible. Pennants or streamers would tell the sailors the direction of the wind quite well. Modern sailboats rigged with fore-aft sailors such as the common Bermuda sloop us telltales to get the most apparent wind (force due to the airfoil effect) as possible with their sails. The sails on these boats today are much flatter than those of old square rigged vessels. Early 17th century men of war had deeply bellied sales compared to later ship of the 18th century, and thus trimming a sail using telltales would probably have not been in practice.
Ok, thanks for your detailed answer.
 
Now, if you want to attach a reef points on the sail of a model ship, how do you do it in a good way?
I've done it two different ways. The first was to sew a reef band horizontally on the sail. Then I sewed the reef points through that band, tied knots up close to the sail on either side, and cut off the excess line. I've tried both one and two reef points per cloth segment. One looks better to me. I've also used white glue to attach bands and points. It's a LOT quicker and looks as good imho.
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This is one of the more tedious jobs of making sails look realistic, but it is sure worth it! Imagine being a sailor standing on a footrope, 40 feet in the air, on a rolling ship in a storm, & trying to reef a sail without something on the canvas to grab on to! NOT a fun job, I'm sure! Rick
 
Some example of making reef lines are shown here (fast search in the forum)


or here

 
Some example of making reef lines are shown here (fast search in the forum)


or here

Thanks!
 
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