The hullmodel - does and donts

[Iterum]

Hello I do look for some borders we have to vwork within by building a ship with out it's rigg. Fore some this is an offending thing - to some of us other think it is a good possibility to give the eye an easier access to the deck's furniture without masts, rigging, deadeyes, blocks and shrouds.

Here the example of three famous paintings by Marshall showing British shipmodels in an idealistic manner.

The HMS ALERT here shows no guns and no further removabale deck's furniture:




HMS EXPERIMENT is a trial for a newly reassembled 50-gun-ship in a beautyfull transom design and attractive colouring. Also here are no anchors, ropes binnacle or guns to be shown - but the gun port lids are openly shown. - why?





At least the HMS ENTERPRIZE of 1776 with a wounderfully detailled decoration fries but also lecking all furniture - so we can say this is a typical style of hull model ship parrange meint with most destinguished art of detailling.

So this will enclosed the first chapter about the fine art of presentation a hull model.

So if you want to build an RN vessel If the Georgian period this is a legitimation to reduce the - all the - deck's furniture to it's minimum.
But what about other kinds of presenting a hull model what are other ways to do so?
If there is anybody interested please add your knowledge in here, please.

 

[Bryian]

Models like that are referred to as an Admiralty model.

There are some new kits coming onto the market like this, in particular the excellent kits from CAF model.

 

[Uwek]

Hallo my friend,
a small mistake happened: you showed the paintings of the Sphynx together with the description of the Enterprise



A painting showing a model of the frigate 'Enterprise' in starboard-quarter view. It has been depicted fixed to a table base, with a label on the side that reads 'Enterprise 28 Guns 200 Men'. The finely detailed painting was part of a commission of twelve perspective paintings, each of a different class, ordered by King George III. Each was accompanied by a memorandum describing the improvements in design that had been introduced since 1745. The work of producing these perspectives from the original Navy Board plans of the ships was divided between two draughtsmen, Joseph Williams and J. Binmer, whilst Joseph Marshall painted all the pictures. Their task was completed in August 1775. The model of the 'Enterprise' is positioned in a corner of a room, implied by the decorated wall behind featuring classical figures, and a wall frieze. The painting is signed and dated 'J Marshall pt. 1777'.

A Model of HMS 'Enterprise' | Royal Museums Greenwich

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Important to know is this description to understand why these paintings are existing

The finely detailed painting was part of a commission of twelve perspective paintings, each of a different class, ordered by King George III. Each was accompanied by a memorandum describing the improvements in design that had been introduced since 1745. The work of producing these perspectives from the original Navy Board plans of the ships was divided between two draughtsmen, Joseph Williams and J. Binmer, whilst Joseph Marshall painted all the pictures. Their task was completed in August 1775.


another painting of this series is the Royal George


A portrait of a model of the 'Royal George', 100 guns, in starboard view. It has been depicted fixed to a table base featuring classical figure decoration and a label on the long side that reads 'Royal George, 1st Rate, 100 guns, 850 Men'. The painting was part of a commission of twelve perspective paintings, each of a different class of ship, ordered for King George III in 1773 by Lord Sandwich, First Lord of the Admiralty, as part of his campaign to get the king more actively interested in naval matters. Each was accompanied by a memorandum describing improvements in design that had been introduced since 1745. The work of producing these perspectives from the original Navy Board plans of the ships was primarily by the draughtsmen Joseph Williams and J. Binmer, while Joseph Marshall painted all the pictures. Their task was completed in August 1775. Ten of Marshall's paintings are now in the Science Museum, London, the present example and one of the frigate 'Enterprise' (BHC3323) in the NMM collection. The 'Royal George' model is depicted in a panelled architectural space, presumably imaginary, with a painting set in the left-hand wall and a ship portrait in the curved room-corner panelling, centre, beyond the model, above which its sails can be seen. The picture of the 'Enterprise' model has a similarly imaginary but unpanelled setting. In all cases there is no evidence that the portraits were actually done from ship models rather than perspective drawings. The 'Royal George', launched in 1756, accidentally sank with massive loss of life while being heeled for repairs at Spithead, Portsmouth, in 1782. The painting is signed and dated 'J Marshall 1779'.

A Model of the 'Royal George' | Royal Museums Greenwich

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[Iterum]

Hello Uwe - so the paintings are not too relevant for us in reality as they are an artist`s fiction and we should have a closer look onto real hull model ships and their features?

Are there special preferences that differ from nation to nation?
As some French models of the mid XIXth century do use ivory for the decorational element contrasted by ebony - while the British model builders did only made use of it for the helmsman`s wheel.

 

[Uwek]

Hello Uwe - so the paintings are not too relevant for us in reality as they are an artist`s fiction and we should have a closer look onto real hull model ships and their features?

This I did not say
With paintings, but also with contemporary models it has to be clarified and clear, when it was done and based on which needs / for whom?

F.e. the Marshall paintings were done to show an overview of ship construction development during a period of 40 years - and the only who would see them was the king.
BTW: Development of ships at this time was mainly the hull design (incl. bow, stern, maybe gallion) but not the masts, yards, sails, or even fittings or equipment on deck. Therefore most of the contemporary models are only showing the hull - these are so called Admirality models.
Also f.e. the frame-structure of such models are extremely simplified - the real ships had different frame structures.

Other models were for decoration issues and received detailed carvings. But also here: sometimes the owners changed the sterns on models according the newest fashion. Also others were later on wrongly restaurated and received often wrong rigging.... a very complex field

 

[Uwek]

BTW: For everybody interested Daniel alias @dafi put once all paintings of this series in the german forum together

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