The screw steam ship “Croesus”

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Gentlemen,
I am a ship modeler from San Fruuoso, near Portofino (Italy).
I’m looking for plans and images about the screw steam ship “Croesus”, an English ship that
burned and sunk in the San Fruuoso bay on April 24th, 1855, while was embarking Italian
infantry to Crimea.
As I wrote before I’m looking for images and possibly plans about this ship or, in the worst
case, sister ships. The reason for this request is that I was asked to build a model of “Croesus”
and I need of them, if available.
Can you help me?

Regards,

To simplify your research I add here a link to more detailed informaon about the “Croesus”:
 
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Hallo,

if I search at the NMM site, you will find the information, that they have (minimum) one drawing and some prints of the Croesus.


description of the drawing:
Print depicting the General Screw Steam Shipping Compy's Screw Steam Ship 'Croesus' , John Vine Hall, Commander, 2500 ton 400 Horse Power. Also depicted is the steamer 'Jason'.

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With this knowledge and the onject ID you can write a post to the NMM and they will prepare a copy of this drawing sheet after paying the requested fees.
Write them a mail or call them - very often they are very helpful - maybe they have more drawings of Croesus or Jason than mentioned in the web-page - Give it a try.
 
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Thames Iron Works Shipbuilding & Engineering took over the builders C J Mare in 1857, and were wound up in 1912. Annual reports records went to the Greater London Record Office County Hall SE1 7BP. Other records (Thames Iron Works Gazette 1897 - 1906, Historical catalogue 1911) went to Tower Hamlets Central Library, Bancroft Road, London E1 4DQ. No ship plans are mentioned in the records at all. Unlikely that the engine builder would have plans of the vessel either, and their records show that only an incomplete selection of general arrangement plans for ship numbers 246 - 487, (1933 to 1966) were saved. So it is unlikely you will find any plans for Croesus.
 

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I found another helpful information


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I am not 100% sure, if the ships, mentioned with 1850 tons are all similar or sisterships.
If you search in NMM for these names you can find several drawings of the "Queen of the South" listed

Scale 1:48. A plan showing the sheer lines with inboard detail, body plan with sternboard and longitudinal half-breadth of the Queen of the South (1852), a screw steamship. A pencil annotation on the plan reads: 'General Screw Steam Navigation Co. See Thames Iron Works Gazette Vol 1 No 2 page 43.'

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Also here I would ask the NMM about further infos about this vessel
 
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Croesus 2,500 tons - Queen of the South 1,850 tons. That is quite a difference, so not sister ships!
 

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the Jason was built the same year by the same builder C J Mare company check size and tonnage of the Jason see how close it is to the Croesus

when a ship building company had a workable design I would think in general like hull lines they would stay with a proven hull rather than venture into new unproven design changes.

sometimes to change size of a ship the plan was cut at midship and more frames were added rather than start from scratch

go through the list Uwek posted and see if any are close to the same size and check what plans are available. looks like CJ Mare was cranking out the steam ships each one could not have been designed from the keel up. So what I would do is compare all CJ Mare ships and see how similar they are, you could reconstruct the Croessus based on the design work of Mare
 
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Merchant ships were not like warships and British companies did not tend to have lots of them all the same (except for the war years). USA seemed to favour standard ships, but I have sailed with companies that had fifty or more ships, most of them different, although used in the same trades. Invariably, there were some that were duplicated, but most were different. Even the ones that were supposed to be built from the same plans were often different in many small ways. But Croessus was built so long ago that no-one would know if it was right or wrong, unless you found the original plans, which I think is highly unlikely after all this time!
 
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Differences between Queen of the South (QOS) and Croessus (C) dimensions:
QOS 238 5/10 long C 280 long
QOS 30 2/10 wide C 41/ 5/10 wide
QOS 25 2/10 deep C 31 7/10 deep

So that shows they hadn't altered the tonnage by simply lengthening the ship. They were different widths and depths as well! You would need to check all the dimensions and tonnages, and then if you found another the same, it may well be a duplicate!
 

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Croesus 2,500 tons - Queen of the South 1,850 tons. That is quite a difference, so not sister ships!
This is correct, but according NMM the drawing of the Croesus is the same like for the Jason.......so I did not check the tonnage of the Croesus in the listing.
And when I read this info:
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the 2.500 tons seems to be incorrect........so we have to check the correctness of all given data
 
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I think Cheta now has enough leads to work on now, but I really doubt if any plans will be found. Merchant ships were always considered of less importance than naval ships, and it is more than likely that any plans would have been destroyed many decades ago -
 

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I think Cheta now has enough leads to work on now, but I really doubt if any plans will be found. Merchant ships were always considered of less importance than naval ships, and it is more than likely that any plans would have been destroyed many decades ago -

now that seems so wrong and backwards it is the merchant ship that supplies everything we need as a civilization it is the war ship that destroys everything we work for.
 
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Afraid it has always been the case. You hardly ever see models of merchant ships built. Croesus was a merchant ship. The "gunports" were just painted on as decoration. But we were always subject to be "grabbed" by the navy when wars came up. I would love to see a model of the Croesus built, but think the finding of plans is remote, to say the least!
 
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sorry for the quality of the image, I don't know how to do better
 

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