Victory figure head

[AllanKP69]

So these AI-generated 3D 'pictures

Are you are talking about the photos in my post #19 above? These are just plain photos of the carving at RMG, not 3D or AI generated images. Sorry if caused confusion.
Allan

 

[WojtasS]

I wish I had these pictures before I started carving the figurehead... But it is obviously too late now.
I consulted my 'friend', Copilot AI, about this matter, and it came up with quite a different solution. Taking every rule (what was recommended or allowed at that time and what was not), Hell knows which is authentic and which is not. AI's solution about the 1765 Victory (Nelson's) looks like this:

I know it is completely different from the half size sculpture at Greenwich, but again, who knows...

Answering another question of mine about the Balchen's Victory figurehead, AI said that there is no picture or plan of it that exists at all, so it is open to interpretation. I have Broughton's book, Ship Figureheads... and it showed quite a different fh. AI's solution to the question is. So the question is: can this be accepted as a likely figurehead on Balchen's Victory?
Janos

Unfortunately, this picture is an AI hallucination. Allan provided you with pictures of the real figurehead carvings from the 1765 Victory.

As for Balchen's Victory, let's be on the same page. Do you mean the 1737 Victory? If so, there are actual plans and paintings of her, so you don't need to refer to AI creations.








PS. There's also a contemporary model

Victory (1737); Warship; First rate; 100 guns | Royal Museums Greenwich

www.rmg.co.uk

 

[janos]

Unfortunately, this picture is an AI hallucination. Allan provided you with pictures of the real figurehead carvings from the 1765 Victory.

As for Balchen's Victory, let's be on the same page. Do you mean the 1737 Victory? If so, there are actual plans and paintings of her, so you don't need to refer to AI creations.

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PS. There's also a contemporary model

Victory (1737); Warship; First rate; 100 guns | Royal Museums Greenwich

www.rmg.co.uk

Yes, I've got this picture in the Broughton book. This was, I believe, the real McCoy until AI put the sand in the gears. It explained, according to the regulations at the time this Victory (Balchen's) was built. And it said that no picture or model of this ship exists - this is obviously false, as the model and the plan in your post clearly show it. So back to the drawing board!
Janos

 

[janos]

Unfortunately, this picture is an AI hallucination. Allan provided you with pictures of the real figurehead carvings from the 1765 Victory.

As for Balchen's Victory, let's be on the same page. Do you mean the 1737 Victory? If so, there are actual plans and paintings of her, so you don't need to refer to AI creations.

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PS. There's also a contemporary model

Victory (1737); Warship; First rate; 100 guns | Royal Museums Greenwich

www.rmg.co.uk

Thanks, that is a great help! In the pictures of the contemporary model (which, according to my AI friend, doesn't exist...), there are also pictures of this model's figurehead, which matches the picture in the Broughton book. It really looks like AI hallucinated...
Thanks again,
Janos

 

[WojtasS]

Thanks, that is a great help! In the pictures of the contemporary model (which, according to my AI friend, doesn't exist...), there are also pictures of this model's figurehead, which matches the picture in the Broughton book. It really looks like AI hallucinated...
Thanks again,
Janos

I also found this paintings. Hope it helps