Peter,
I dunno about nuttin', but it sure looks absolutely great to me.
Jan
I dunno about nuttin', but it sure looks absolutely great to me.
Jan
YUANQING BLUENOSE - Peter Voogt [COMPLETED BUILD]
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I had an idea how I would like to display the BN in a display case when see is finished. And since I've now completed the ForeCastle with deck beams and the position of the foremast, time to set that up:
Here the mast is on its pin in the mast foot.
The mast is temporarily secured above the deck with a clip so that it does not sink down. And the mast is held in place in the longitudinal direction with an elastic cord. It does indeed slide through the hole in and out of the table in the mast foot.
The idea is to place the BN on a construction frame and a mirror on the floor of the display case:
Thanxs to my Admiral for borrowing the mirror
Then you have through the mirror a view into the interior of the upper part via the mirror.
Now you can also see the double knees there. The image is just not sharp in the photo. But a mirror, like a regular window, has a birefringence index. So you get a double image.
I have decided to also apply the double knees along the sides, because you can see them through the mirror when you changed your position of viewing. I just have to see what can be seen from above. Because that already depends on the 'waterboards' and what planks come against them.
Regards, Peter
Here the mast is on its pin in the mast foot.
The mast is temporarily secured above the deck with a clip so that it does not sink down. And the mast is held in place in the longitudinal direction with an elastic cord. It does indeed slide through the hole in and out of the table in the mast foot.
The idea is to place the BN on a construction frame and a mirror on the floor of the display case:
Thanxs to my Admiral for borrowing the mirror
Then you have through the mirror a view into the interior of the upper part via the mirror.
Now you can also see the double knees there. The image is just not sharp in the photo. But a mirror, like a regular window, has a birefringence index. So you get a double image.
I have decided to also apply the double knees along the sides, because you can see them through the mirror when you changed your position of viewing. I just have to see what can be seen from above. Because that already depends on the 'waterboards' and what planks come against them.
Regards, Peter
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Good idea!I had an idea how I would like to display the BN in a display case when see is finished. And since I've now completed the ForeCastle with deck beams and the position of the foremast, time to set that up:
View attachment 262891
Here the mast is on its pin in the mast foot.
The mast is temporarily secured above the deck with a clip so that it does not sink down. And the mast is held in place in the longitudinal direction with an elastic cord. It does indeed slide through the hole in and out of the table in the mast foot.
The idea is to place the BN on a construction frame and a mirror on the floor of the display case:
View attachment 262892
Thanxs to my Admiral for borrowing the mirror
Then you have through the mirror a view into the interior of the upper part via the mirror.
View attachment 262893
Now you can also see the double knees there. The image is just not sharp in the photo. But a mirror, like a regular window, has a birefringence index. So you get a double image.
I have decided to also apply the double knees along the sides, because you can see them through the mirror when you changed your position of viewing. I just have to see what can be seen from above. Because that already depends on the 'waterboards' and what planks come against them.
Regards, Peter
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Not wanting to downplay the displayed craftsmanship and love for detail, I'll have to agree with Heinrich on this one. I think I might have an idea as to why it looks cramped, or, as Heinrich put it, cluttered. It has already been mentioned that the YQ floorbeams are too wide. This means there's less space for the knees to fit in between two beams, hence the out-of-proportion (also see the relevant sketches in the Saga) dimensions of the knees.
And this is where AL-FI kicks in, Peter's ideas and goals take precedence over anything we throw his way.
Heinrich phrased it beautifully: our views do "not detract one iota from what is a hack of a build".
So Peter, don't get too distracted from your goals by us mere modeling-mortals and keep us on our toes.
Johan
PS @Heinrich: Have you by any chance discussed the floorbeam width with YQ? I'm curious as to what their rationale is behind the wider floorbeams.
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Nice work again Peter,
I already knew some details about you and the mirror is a masterstroke
AL-FI at the helm, and further determines the course how you sail your BN
Gr
Henk
I already knew some details about you and the mirror is a masterstroke
AL-FI at the helm, and further determines the course how you sail your BN
Gr
Henk
Hi Johan. Thanxs voor the reply.
It's all about choices, showing them and input from SoS-members. And do I adjust my plans or go down the chosen path?
I case of the double-knees, I have adjusted the size and type of wood, but continue to place.
Thanxs Henk. I try to sail with any wind. And a saying among (windmill) millers: "North wind is always cold, whichever direction it comes from."
Regards, Peter
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Dear Johan. Trying to discuss such a technical issue with YQ in a mixture of translated Chinese and English usually gets a response similar to "our draughtsman designed it like that." If I were then to bring the Saga into the discussion and explain that it is a generic source and not particularly related to Bluenose, it will compound the whole issue even further. So there are times - for the sanity of all concerned - when you simply do not ask questions to which you will never receive a workable answer.
Thanxs Heinrich, for your explanation. It are those items that you keep in mind when you build the YQ-BN the next time.
Or as information to other builders.Regards, Peter
Before I start on the Icehold, I still had to add 1 detail part.
The Saga drawings with the double-knees also mentions the "Hanging Knees":
In this drawing, the front is facing right.
These hanging beams are located under 3 deck beams: both directly behind the masts and under the BreakBeam. That last beam is the beam that is the transition from the low foredeck to the higher aft deck. I accentuated the items in both drawings. The right drawing is of position below the breakbeam. It also gets a bigger knee for fixation in the backward direction.
It is nice that in the YQ model the two beams behind the two masts are a thicker composite beam:
In this drawing, the front is facing left.
They are beams 15 and 30. In principle, the BreakBeam (27) is also in the right position there, the 2nd beam for the hole for the main boom. The foremast hole is also somewhat larger here with an intermediate beam (29).
The hanging knee applied:
Because the 'leg' of the knee extends over the inner wall, I applied 2 pieces of skin plank. Because the deck beams in the YQ model lie between the frames, that 'leg' would float between 2 frames. A matter of AL-FI.....
PS: I left out the small wedge between the knee and the deck beam. Less is more ....
On the other side, the knee is partly hidden behind the bunks:
You just see the 'arm'.
Regards, Peter
The Saga drawings with the double-knees also mentions the "Hanging Knees":
In this drawing, the front is facing right.
These hanging beams are located under 3 deck beams: both directly behind the masts and under the BreakBeam. That last beam is the beam that is the transition from the low foredeck to the higher aft deck. I accentuated the items in both drawings. The right drawing is of position below the breakbeam. It also gets a bigger knee for fixation in the backward direction.
It is nice that in the YQ model the two beams behind the two masts are a thicker composite beam:
In this drawing, the front is facing left.
They are beams 15 and 30. In principle, the BreakBeam (27) is also in the right position there, the 2nd beam for the hole for the main boom. The foremast hole is also somewhat larger here with an intermediate beam (29).
The hanging knee applied:
Because the 'leg' of the knee extends over the inner wall, I applied 2 pieces of skin plank. Because the deck beams in the YQ model lie between the frames, that 'leg' would float between 2 frames. A matter of AL-FI.....
PS: I left out the small wedge between the knee and the deck beam. Less is more ....
On the other side, the knee is partly hidden behind the bunks:
You just see the 'arm'.
Regards, Peter
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Dear Gents. I have replied in length to Peter via a PM to explain my earlier posting (#909) more in detail. Johan, I have also asked Peter to give you the essence of the explanation.
@Peter Voogt
Dear Gents. I have replied in length to Peter via a PM to explain my earlier posting (#909) more in detail. Johan, I have also asked Peter to give you the essence of the explanation.
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Heinrich, I just got Peter's PM. Thanks!
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I have been in China several times, so I have some experience there.
We were always working with translators, discussing designs and design processes/procedures and admittedly, we frequently had very funny/weird conversations with our hosts. Often caused by cultural differences, translation errors and such. Every now and then I needed to take a break to recollect myself and get back into the conversation. Nevertheless, I enjoyed the experience.
Well Peter, I don't know much about artistic license and such, I just know you are pushing the envelope and that will always invite a response. Sometimes you will hit a home run - other times you will strike out. Other times everyone will think you struck out when in fact you hit a grand slam (or vice versa). Sure is fun to watch though!!!
Thanks Paul.
When I look to your Vasa build, you have a special version of a License in Artistry. I do see some comparisons.....
And I can place your baseball metaphors. Regards, Peter
Now it’s time to ice down your knees…Before I start on the Icehold, I still had to add 1 detail part.
The Saga drawings with the double-knees also mentions the "Hanging Knees":
View attachment 263129
In this drawing, the front is facing right.
These hanging beams are located under 3 deck beams: both directly behind the masts and under the BreakBeam. That last beam is the beam that is the transition from the low foredeck to the higher aft deck. I accentuated the items in both drawings. The right drawing is of position below the breakbeam. It also gets a bigger knee for fixation in the backward direction.
It is nice that in the YQ model the two beams behind the two masts are a thicker composite beam:
View attachment 263131
In this drawing, the front is facing left.
They are beams 15 and 30. In principle, the BreakBeam (27) is also in the right position there, the 2nd beam for the hole for the main boom. The foremast hole is also somewhat larger here with an intermediate beam (29).
The hanging knee applied:
View attachment 263133
Because the 'leg' of the knee extends over the inner wall, I applied 2 pieces of skin plank. Because the deck beams in the YQ model lie between the frames, that 'leg' would float between 2 frames. A matter of AL-FI.....
PS: I left out the small wedge between the knee and the deck beam. Less is more ....
On the other side, the knee is partly hidden behind the bunks:
View attachment 263134
You just see the 'arm'.
Regards, Peter
Yep, the ship carpenter is already busy with measuring and making some corner molds.Now it’s time to ice down your knees…
Regards, Peter
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Started with the wall for the Icehold. Did it something different than the wall to the ForeCastle.
First made a mold that fits under the deck beam:
Then in order:
- the top (A) and bottom beam (B) made to measure;
-glued it to the 3 planks (C) that form the passageway;
- then the beams (D) around the passage on the planks;
- the strut beams (E) that push down the ends of the lower beam (B) and give the curve that follows the floor;
-the strut beams (F) holding the ends of the top beam (A) pulled down and holding the curve under the deck beam.
Because everything pulls and twists under the fingers, everything just stuck until the glue was dry.
Then this popped up:
First I put it in the hull to see if everything fit well:
And with the deck beam on it:
Oeps ....... On the picture I see it does not fit well. I have to turn it! With the passage planks face to te camera. Dombo .....
I could have turned it and made some new pictures. But show your mistakes ........
Now I can make the side beams that follow the curve of the hull and 'the ears' which I later cut off to glue in the top part. Just like the other wall.
PS: A little deja-vu to The Lee. There I also had push and pull beam in order to hold the curves.
Regards, Peter
First made a mold that fits under the deck beam:
Then in order:
- the top (A) and bottom beam (B) made to measure;
-glued it to the 3 planks (C) that form the passageway;
- then the beams (D) around the passage on the planks;
- the strut beams (E) that push down the ends of the lower beam (B) and give the curve that follows the floor;
-the strut beams (F) holding the ends of the top beam (A) pulled down and holding the curve under the deck beam.
Because everything pulls and twists under the fingers, everything just stuck until the glue was dry.
Then this popped up:
First I put it in the hull to see if everything fit well:
And with the deck beam on it:
Oeps ....... On the picture I see it does not fit well. I have to turn it! With the passage planks face to te camera. Dombo .....
I could have turned it and made some new pictures. But show your mistakes ........
Now I can make the side beams that follow the curve of the hull and 'the ears' which I later cut off to glue in the top part. Just like the other wall.
PS: A little deja-vu to The Lee. There I also had push and pull beam in order to hold the curves.
Regards, Peter
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