Learning to make metal parts- Books? Tips?

glennb17

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Hi everyone,
I just got done looking at yet another posting with a top notch model and metal work that blew my mind. This included everything from hooks, thimbles, and block straps to complicated mast caps, lanterns, and more. I can do a small amount of very basic metalwork but it would take a really long time to experiment to the point where I could make some of these thing. Is there a good single source such as a book to get a strong start in this art within the art?

Glenn
 
glennb17 said:
Hi everyone,
I just got done looking at yet another posting with a top notch model and metal work that blew my mind. This included everything from hooks, thimbles, and block straps to complicated mast caps, lanterns, and more. I can do a small amount of very basic metalwork but it would take a really long time to experiment to the point where I could make some of these thing. Is there a good single source such as a book to get a strong start in this art within the art?

Glenn
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Hi glennb, the manuals are for equipment and the use of machinery but, I don't think there are manuals for how to make pieces, forgive me do you have machinery practice? Frank
 
Hi Frank,
Thanks for the reply. I don't have machinery practice. I bought a friend's relatively unused Unimat 6-1 and just bought a book, been looking for the time but am moving. But that's it, nothing but theory.

I've seen lots of great metalwork but was especially inspired this week by Kerz Atao F14800. Here's a couple of screenshots of things that seem like secret magic to me.
BTW, I hope it's ok to post some screen shots. Here's the link to the original thread, really great workmanship, well worth the time to browse.

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Is it just a matter of tracking these things down one-by-one, keep looking through posts and hope someone puts up enough detail to figure it out?

Thanks,
Glenn
 
glennb17 said:
Ciao Franco,
Grazie per la risposta. Non ho pratica di macchinari. Ho comprato l'Unimat 6-1 relativamente inutilizzato di un amico e ho appena comprato un libro, stavo cercando il tempo ma mi sto muovendo. Ma questo è tutto, nient'altro che teoria.

Ho visto un sacco di grandi opere in metallo, ma questa settimana sono stato particolarmente ispirato da Kerz Atao F14800. Ecco un paio di screenshot di cose che mi sembrano magia segreta.
A proposito, spero che sia giusto pubblicare alcune schermate. Ecco il link al thread originale, davvero di ottima fattura, vale la pena sfogliare.

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Si tratta solo di rintracciare queste cose una per una, continuare a guardare i post e sperare che qualcuno metta abbastanza dettagli per capirlo?

Grazie,
Glenn
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Ciao glennb, alcuni dettagli che mi piace fare

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glennb17 said:
Hi Frank,
Thanks for the reply. I don't have machinery practice. I bought a friend's relatively unused Unimat 6-1 and just bought a book, been looking for the time but am moving. But that's it, nothing but theory.

I've seen lots of great metalwork but was especially inspired this week by Kerz Atao F14800. Here's a couple of screenshots of things that seem like secret magic to me.
BTW, I hope it's ok to post some screen shots. Here's the link to the original thread, really great workmanship, well worth the time to browse.

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Is it just a matter of tracking these things down one-by-one, keep looking through posts and hope someone puts up enough detail to figure it out?

Thanks,
Glenn
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Hallo Glenn.
I fully agree with your words about the work by @Kerz Atao F14800
I would be also happy, if there would be a book or maunal existing, describing of how to make good metal works in modeling.
Unfortunately I do not know any publication. It would be a best seller!
The best and the only way in moment is to read and remember good building logs, in which the members are decsribing there ways and methods

I am a big fan of Johanns alias @archjofo work

La Créole 1827 by archjofo - Scale 1/48 - French corvette

Hello, up to now I have also been represented in other forums. Due to the fact that many excellent model builders also present their building reports here, I have decided to show my building report on the model of the La Créole here in the future. At the end of this thread I will show you a...
shipsofscale.com

and there are several other modelers showing and sharing their great workmanship
We have to loook and learn......
 
Hello,
Following the reading of your previous messages I point out to you two excellent books. They are in French and can be easily translated with Google, for example.
I don't know if they are still in print, but if you find them for sale, don't hesitate.
Cordially

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Kerz Atao F14800 said:
Hello,
Following the reading of your previous messages I point out to you two excellent books. They are in French and can be easily translated with Google, for example.
I don't know if they are still in print, but if you find them for sale, don't hesitate.
Cordially

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They are very rare and only available on the used market - and because of the rareness relatively expensive - but very good!!!
 
Uwek said:
Hallo Glenn.
I fully agree with your words about the work by @Kerz Atao F14800
I would be also happy, if there would be a book or maunal existing, describing of how to make good metal works in modeling.
Unfortunately I do not know any publication. It would be a best seller!
The best and the only way in moment is to read and remember good building logs, in which the members are decsribing there ways and methods

I am a big fan of Johanns alias @archjofo work

La Créole 1827 by archjofo - Scale 1/48 - French corvette

Hello, up to now I have also been represented in other forums. Due to the fact that many excellent model builders also present their building reports here, I have decided to show my building report on the model of the La Créole here in the future. At the end of this thread I will show you a...
shipsofscale.com

and there are several other modelers showing and sharing their great workmanship
We have to loook and learn......
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Hi Uwe,
I am familiar with Johann's build log and every time I go through it, it's like "wow!". Just mind blowing stuff. I've tried to execute a short splice to form a grommet for stropping a 1/4" block as he dioes for much smaller blocks, and I just can't do it. I did find a 3D designer as well as a jeweler as he suggested to make some brass hooks for my Philadelphia model guns (they are big enough where the details kind of stick out).
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I am still working on the best way to do the hooks, Johann looks like he arrived at having them cast in the unbent form. But his work has inspired me, even at my early stage of my modelling hobby. Now I just have to figure out how he made that die for the thimbles. I have a lot of questions for him too.

Glenn
 
Kerz Atao F14800 said:
Hello,
Following the reading of your previous messages I point out to you two excellent books. They are in French and can be easily translated with Google, for example.
I don't know if they are still in print, but if you find them for sale, don't hesitate.
Cordially

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I really appreciate your input on this. I'll start the search for the books now, I like to find this stuff for fun anyway. And again, amazing work! Very inspiring. Another source I found for a few item's was one of Bernard Frolich's books published by ANCRE, luckily in an English version. He makes the most amazing pots and kettles amongst many other things.

Thanks again for the inspiration!

Glenn

Glenn
 
glennb17 said:
Hi Frank,
Just seeing this, that's great worksmanship! I can't even find the bar stock you are using as straps for the blocks, sad I know. I love looking this stuff over because it says it's possible. Thanks for sharing, great stuff!
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Thanks, Hi Glenn, I'm glad to hear you say that I'm encouraging you to do them too
 
glennb17 said:
Hola a todos,
Acabo de terminar de ver otra publicación con un modelo de primer nivel y un trabajo en metal que me dejó alucinado . Esto incluía todo, desde ganchos, dedales y correas de bloque hasta complicadas tapas de mástil, linternas y más. Puedo hacer una pequeña cantidad de trabajo en metal muy básico, pero me llevaría mucho tiempo experimentar hasta el punto en que pudiera hacer algunas de estas cosas. ¿Hay una buena fuente única, como un libro, para comenzar con fuerza en este arte dentro del arte?
Me temo que no
glenn
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Me temo que no
 
Philski said:
Have you researched Lost Wax Casting?
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I actually had some of that done to make my hooks, they look great (despite my pictures). Next time I'll do it on a sprue and make it all much more economical. Castings can be relatively expensive but they are convenient and take a lot less trial and error. Not that I don't enjoy a challenge.
 
I was also, so impressed by the metalwork shown in Kerz Atao F14800 post that I too wanted to know more on how this was done. I purchased and received the Complete Metalsmith Professional edition by Tim McCreight. This book provides a wealth of information on materials, tools, shaping, surfaces, joining, color, finishing, casting, chains, findings and mechanisms. Although this book seems to be geared towards jewelry making, I hope that the techniques would be applicable to small metal parts for ship modeling. Still working my way through the book.
 
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