overview Elco PT Boat in scale 1:48, by HpeterB

HPeterB, I just took these shots of the 323 armament. Sorry I'm not the greatest photographer. These weapons are all scratch built from brass and soldered together, the shells are turned on my Lathe. The images are of the 40 MM Bofors on the stern, the Browning 50 cal in the gun tubs, the 20MM Orlicon on the Port Bow, and the 32 MM on the Starboard Bow. I got the details for building these guns off the web site I sent you.
Jim

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HPeterB, I just took these shots of the 323 armament. Sorry I'm not the greatest photographer. These weapons are all scratch built from brass and soldered together, the shells are turned on my Lathe. The images are of the 40 MM Bofors on the stern, the Browning 50 cal in the gun tubs, the 20MM Orlicon on the Port Bow, and the 32 MM on the Starboard Bow. I got the details for building these guns off the web site I sent you.
Jim

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You are a great story teller with good photos to support that. I’m really impressed with your work, the details… excellent! You’ve given me a new perspective for my boat. I’m particularly interested in the details of the shells of the 32mm Starboard bow gun. That alone brings this boat way up on the impressive meter. Did you scratch build the entire boat or is it from a kit? Are the gun mounts resin or?? I just looked at the Bofors gun more closely and saw how detailed it is, the spring, the gun sight, the gun barrel. I don’t want to be a glutton but I’d love to see a photo of the whole boat. Was there any mention in your research about the deck planking? When I looked for aftermarket wooden decks I came across some info that they were covered in plywood. Was that your understanding or you found different info?
Again..thanks for taking the time to share this.
 
Out of the box, the kit is only accurate for the original configuration of the 103-196 boats. With relatively minor changes, you could accurately depict 314-367. After that, major surgery is necessary. The drawings show the boats as they were configured on being placed in service. Over time, the earlier boats were upgraded with radar and armament changes.


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. Was there any mention in your research about the deck planking? When I looked for aftermarket wooden decks I came across some info that they were covered in plywood. Was that your understanding or you found different info?
The 80' ELCO decks from 103 to 383 were planked. From 486 on, they were plywood.
 
The 80' ELCOs from 103 to 383 were planked. From 486 on, they were plywood.
Interesting group of pictures. I notice that PT109 would have had only 1 torpedo tube installed by Elco on each side.
My kit is supposed to be an early version but doesn’t have any representation of wood planks. I’ve thought about scratch building them. However if I did that then I’d have to renumber the boat. That’s not a problem, I haven’t added decals yet. That’s typically my closing step before weathering, if I do that. I like the look of your deck planks. Did you plank the entire deck?
 
Interesting group of pictures. I notice that PT109 would have had only 1 torpedo tube installed by Elco on each side.
My kit is supposed to be an early version but doesn’t have any representation of wood planks. I’ve thought about scratch building them. However if I did that then I’d have to renumber the boat. That’s not a problem, I haven’t added decals yet. That’s typically my closing step before weathering, if I do that. I like the look of your deck planks. Did you plank the entire deck?
No, she had four tubes originally. Keep in mind that ELCO was a yacht company and their joinery was top notch. In reality, at 1/48 scale, any plank lines would be pretty much invisible. This is a blow-up of the aft deck of 109 being shipped to the Pacific.

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My PT 323 is all scratch built from brass, wood, and fibreglass. The hull is framed up, covered with 1/32 plywood, and then fibreglassed. All of my RC ships are built this way for strength. All sections of the guns, including the bases are brass. The deck is 1/64 cherry strips all individually laid on a plywood sub deck and oiled as they tend to get a bit of water on them while running. The deck on the original 323 may have been painted, not sure, but couldn't bring myself to paint mine.
Have attached a photo of the original 323 from( navsource.com ) you can get her whole sad story from that site.
Good luck with your build
Jim

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My PT 323 is all scratch built from brass, wood, and fibreglass. The hull is framed up, covered with 1/32 plywood, and then fibreglassed. All of my RC ships are built this way for strength. All sections of the guns, including the bases are brass. The deck is 1/64 cherry strips all individually laid on a plywood sub deck and oiled as they tend to get a bit of water on them while running. The deck on the original 323 may have been painted, not sure, but couldn't bring myself to paint mine.
Have attached a photo of the original 323 from( navsource.com ) you can get her whole sad story from that site.
Good luck with your build
Jim

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I’m impressed! You’re absolutely correct on the planking. I can see what you mean about being barely visible. What is the other ship in the photo…looks like a seagoing tug? I noticed that there’s a couple of series that have radomes, that must have been a relatively new concept? Many years ago I shot a story on about the QE2 getting a new radar system installed close to where the Intrepid is docked. They airlifted it and lowered it to the top deck. That was a pretty cool sight.

Again I’m just a wee bit envious…at your combination of skills. I credit some of my career skills in troubleshooting the various issues that came up with the “new but not ready for prime time” technology in a 2nd generation Satellite uplink truck that needed to be “worked around” on a daily basis, to my father introducing me and supporting my model hobby. I started building ship models, reading the blow up instructions and putting the parts together. I think my very first model (I was about 8 or 9) was a destroyer “The Sullivan’s”. I learned how to visualize in 3D and when it came to electronics in broadcast tv it was mostly about understanding the relationships of block diagrams to the real components. I think that kids should be taught to build models from an early age, making it a fun activity, and that would give them a lot of options as adults. (Thanks for listening)
 
I know we're slightly off topic of PT boats here, but it's worth the discussion. I agree 100% that " kids should be taught to build models from an early age." I am sure that that is where most of the members on this site started . Model building helps develop a creative and problem solving mind regardless of our age.
Regarding the other ship in the above photo. That is a 1/24th scale RC model of the Baltimore City Fire Departments' newest fire tug John R. Frazier. I built two of these, one for the ship yard that built the prototype for Baltimore, and the RC version for me.
 
I’m impressed! You’re absolutely correct on the planking. I can see what you mean about being barely visible. What is the other ship in the photo…looks like a seagoing tug? I noticed that there’s a couple of series that have radomes, that must have been a relatively new concept? Many years ago I shot a story on about the QE2 getting a new radar system installed close to where the Intrepid is docked. They airlifted it and lowered it to the top deck. That was a pretty cool sight.

Again I’m just a wee bit envious…at your combination of skills. I credit some of my career skills in troubleshooting the various issues that came up with the “new but not ready for prime time” technology in a 2nd generation Satellite uplink truck that needed to be “worked around” on a daily basis, to my father introducing me and supporting my model hobby. I started building ship models, reading the blow up instructions and putting the parts together. I think my very first model (I was about 8 or 9) was a destroyer “The Sullivan’s”. I learned how to visualize in 3D and when it came to electronics in broadcast tv it was mostly about understanding the relationships of block diagrams to the real components. I think that kids should be taught to build models from an early age, making it a fun activity, and that would give them a lot of options as adults. (Thanks for listening)
I just noticed the fire nozzles…I’ve got my answer.
 
I’m currently working on an Elco PT Boat in 1:48 scale from I❤️Hobby. It’s a nice size for me and my shaky hands but the PE parts are still a bit of a challenge and require those wonderful bending tools and a whole lotta patience! I’ve actually learned a bit from my previous build using CA glue and … toothpicks! Who said you can’t teach this dog new tricks (I’m not old…just numerically wisened).

The Elco boats are a bit of nostalgia for me. They were built in my hometown of Bayonne, NJ. During WW2 my Dad worked next door to Elco in a warplant called General Cable and he would tell me stories about Elco and working in the plant. In the 1950’s there was an horrific train accident on the RR bridge that went from Bayonne to Elizabeth. The bridge was of the lift bridge style, the span was up and it was tragic error, the train went off the bridge, engine first followed by several passenger cars, multiple fatalities. When we heard about the disaster my father and I went to see the scene and the only place that had a view was Elco. So…they let us go on their property to see the wreckage. I’ve never forgotten that.

Bayonne had a few firsts to it’s credit: longest single span bridge, Bayonne to Staten Island, ultimately replaced in the record books by the Harbor Bridge in Sydney, Australia. More appropriately for this site, Bayonne had the largest dry dock on the east coast at the Bayonne Naval Base, also home of the WW2 Mothball fleet until they were moved to Kearny, NJ for breakup or up the Hudson River an anchorage. The third thing that Bayonne was noted for was the largest hub of petroleum refineries in the country. That record was broken by Houston, Tx after the big companies like Standard Oil, Flying A, etc…found better tax breaks in Texas. Just a bit of history from a kid from Joisey.
Hallo @HPeterB
we wish you all the BEST and a HAPPY BIRTHDAY
Birthday-Cake
 
Hallo @HPeterB
we wish you all the BEST and a HAPPY BIRTHDAY
Birthday-Cake
Thank you, the cake was amazing! How’d you all know that chocolate is my favorite? Elco… it’s been almost 3 months since I’ve been able to work on the Elco PT boat. The move to our new apartment was in a word ‍ I never realized how much stuff one picks up along the way. I’m intent on finishing the boat before the next century! Or…sooner whichever comes first. Thanks again for my cake…I highly recommend chocolate!
 
Hello everyone. I’m finally back working on my Elco Pt Boat. We’d moved this past December to a different apartment complex. We concentrated on every room except my work room. It’s taken me almost 3 months to get things in shape so I could pick up where I left off. Yesterday…the first day in the rest of the boat’s construction. @fourseas I just looked at the PT Boat website again and I have to thank you again for sharing. PT103.com I learned a lot about the origins of Elco, the history of the factory and the sad story of two fires that were fatal to the buildings. I haven’t been back to Bayonne in nearly two decades so the info about Elco was particularly interesting.
 
Jim,
Glad to be back. It’s been a crazy month and a half. My talented and amazing wife had to have back surgery at the beginning of February and that requires inpatient transitional care with intensive PT. Fortunately the facility was only 15 minutes away so I could get there almost every day. She’s doing remarkably well and healing quickly.

The only way to think about this stuff IMHO is that “in this moment everything is beautiful!”
Peter
 
I’m currently working on an Elco PT Boat in 1:48 scale from I❤️Hobby. It’s a nice size for me and my shaky hands but the PE parts are still a bit of a challenge and require those wonderful bending tools and a whole lotta patience! I’ve actually learned a bit from my previous build using CA glue and … toothpicks! Who said you can’t teach this dog new tricks (I’m not old…just numerically wisened).

The Elco boats are a bit of nostalgia for me. They were built in my hometown of Bayonne, NJ. During WW2 my Dad worked next door to Elco in a warplant called General Cable and he would tell me stories about Elco and working in the plant. In the 1950’s there was an horrific train accident on the RR bridge that went from Bayonne to Elizabeth. The bridge was of the lift bridge style, the span was up and it was tragic error, the train went off the bridge, engine first followed by several passenger cars, multiple fatalities. When we heard about the disaster my father and I went to see the scene and the only place that had a view was Elco. So…they let us go on their property to see the wreckage. I’ve never forgotten that.

Bayonne had a few firsts to it’s credit: longest single span bridge, Bayonne to Staten Island, ultimately replaced in the record books by the Harbor Bridge in Sydney, Australia. More appropriately for this site, Bayonne had the largest dry dock on the east coast at the Bayonne Naval Base, also home of the WW2 Mothball fleet until they were moved to Kearny, NJ for breakup or up the Hudson River an anchorage. The third thing that Bayonne was noted for was the largest hub of petroleum refineries in the country. That record was broken by Houston, Tx after the big companies like Standard Oil, Flying A, etc…found better tax breaks in Texas. Just a bit of history from a kid from Joisey.
Hallo @HPeterB
we wish you alll the BEST and a HAPPY BIRTHDAY
Birthday-Cake
 
@Uwek, thanks for your birthday wishes. The cake was (way gone shortly after my birthday) exactly what i had asked for, Boston Cream Cake!

For those here who might be curious about which birthday I had, it’s a puzzle. To friends and family… when asked… I would tell them: 12 years old. The puzzled looks required an explanation: it’s the combination of two prime numbers… if you add them correctly then you’re on the money…if you don’t then I’m a whole lot younger and you have my gratitude!
 
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