No room for pin rails.

[Don Case]

I'm planning the rigging for the Discovery1789. I'm looking at pin rails at the moment. I'm thinking I need at least 100 belaying pins. The problem with the Discovery is that it has hardly any bulwarks to hang pin rails on. When they raised the quarter deck and the forecastle they made the decks flush with top of the bulwarks. The only place I have for pin rails is between the guns in the waist. I do have rails on the quarterdeck and timberheads on the forecastle that some ropes could be belayed on but I'm not sure if this would have been done. From what I've seen I think that by the end of the 18th century most stuff was belayed on pins but there is a good chance of me being wrong there. If they did belay running rigging on the rails would they be drilled for belaying or would they just throw a bunch of half hitches around the rail? Can anyone think where else they may have belayed the rigging
Oh, I just spotted the rail at the front of the QD. I can put some pins there . Still not enough though

 

[Don Case]

Has anyone ever seen pinrails attached to rails kinda like this red thing I drew in?

 

[Uwek]

When you google "pinrail" photos you get a lot of different examples showing all kind and also locations for pinrails

on small racks installed towards the shrouds


on small racks installed next to the shrouds



on racks close to the rail



also drilled holes through the handrails



at the handrail you can see, that the ropes have smaller diameter, and the distance between the pins is much smaller

and off course around the masts

 

[Don Case]

Thank you again Uwe. It's very frustrating to search all day and not find anything and then have someone say, " Oh, search XXXXX and you'll get lots of pictures." I just never seem to find the right search parameters. Lack of experience I guess. Just so you know, I do spend time looking before I post a question on here.

 

[dnalley]

Thank you again Uwe. It's very frustrating to search all day and not find anything and then have someone say, " Oh, search XXXXX and you'll get lots of pictures." I just never seem to find the right search parameters. Lack of experience I guess. Just so you know, I do spend time looking before I post a question on here.

Uwek = Administrator = Man of all knowledge. When I google, I get lost in all the other junk and stray off course. Like when I golf!

 

[danielsje]

I share the angst about google search…I search pin rails and get pictures of teen girls with fancy hair pins…I mean what’s up with that?

 

[Alskabear]

I share the angst about google search…I search pin rails and get pictures of teen girls with fancy hair pins…I mean what’s up with that?

Can you imagine how a teenage girl looks when she is looking for something about pinrails

 

[Stuart Little]

I share the angst about google search…I search pin rails and get pictures of teen girls with fancy hair pins…I mean what’s up with that?

Try 'Fyfe rails', the correct term?

 

[Don Case]

I just did that and fife(fyfe) rails refers to free standing rails at the base of the mast. Pin rails are attached to the hull. At least according to Wiki

 

[bill36]

I'm planning the rigging for the Discovery1789. I'm looking at pin rails at the moment. I'm thinking I need at least 100 belaying pins. The problem with the Discovery is that it has hardly any bulwarks to hang pin rails on. When they raised the quarter deck and the forecastle they made the decks flush with top of the bulwarks. The only place I have for pin rails is between the guns in the waist. I do have rails on the quarterdeck and timberheads on the forecastle that some ropes could be belayed on but I'm not sure if this would have been done. From what I've seen I think that by the end of the 18th century most stuff was belayed on pins but there is a good chance of me being wrong there. If they did belay running rigging on the rails would they be drilled for belaying or would they just throw a bunch of half hitches around the rail? Can anyone think where else they may have belayed the rigging
Oh, I just spotted the rail at the front of the QD. I can put some pins there . Still not enough though


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Lash cleats to the standing rigging as needed. This problem and solution has been in use for at least 2,000 years. Look in the rigging books for cleat design. All the designs are essentially the same. I make mine with needle files.

 

[Don Case]

I was looking at those and thought I would use some but didn't figure that there would be enough to make a difference. Speaking of cleats, when you make them I assume you make the grain of the wood run lengthwise, how do you stop them from breaking across the grain right in the necked down area? Are they always lashed across that?

 

[bill36]

I just did that and fife(fyfe) rails refers to free standing rails at the base of the mast. Pin rails are attached to the hull. At least according to Wiki

correct

 

[El Capi]

Hi,
I am attaching some fasting points -pin rails etc. Some diagrams of fastening and around the mast-main the main mast. pin For_aft.
As you can see, some have a nail on the bottom. To be nailed to the deck, there will always be some For on this pinrails-specialy around the main mast.
A "lift -of"f can or will be a disaster.

 

[Don Case]

Thank you El Capi