Need Help with details of Danish vessels

[Ame]

Hi,
I’m currently building my model of HDMS Printz Friderich , but I searched everywhere just couldn’t find drawings of 8 18 24 pdr cannon and its carriage for danish navy during 1700s.
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Here is the only thing I could found

 

[zoly99sask]

Is there anyone who has more Info for 8,18 and 24 ponder cannons and carriages for the Printz Friderich?

 

[AllanKP69]

Do the folks at the Danish Archives have any information? The drawing above, assuming a 24 pounder, has a bore diameter of about 5.8 inches, it should be relatively easy to size everything from that. For the other calibers, getting the bore diameters is easy so the diameters and such can be found with ratios. Lengths would not necessarily be affected. Finding the lengths actually used on this ship for any of the other calibers is not so easy so may be more of a problem.

I downloaded the drawing you posted and brought it to full size. The overall length of the barrel is 117". The length of the bore is 100". The length of the carriage is 65" to give you an idea of the actual size. The only potential problem is that gun and carriage patterns in the above drawing may or may not be appropriate for 1764 as I see no date on the drawing. Also, with the view, there may be additional rings not shown in the area where the barrel passes out the gun port.

I do love the details in the drawing posted.

Allan

 

[-Waldemar-]

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@Ame

Please provide the date of construction of the ship and the nature of the guns themselves, if you know ( i.e. cast-iron, bronze, length, etc). I will look in the publications on Danish artillery in my home library.

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[zoly99sask]

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@Ame

Please provide the date of construction of the ship and the nature of the guns themselves, if you know ( i.e. cast-iron, bronze, length, etc). I will look in the publications on Danish artillery in my home library.

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Hi

PRINTZ FRIDERICH (1761 - 1780) - danish 70-gun Ship of the Line

 

[-Waldemar-]

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Out of a few possibilities, one of the most likely seems to be cast-iron cannons of the naval service 1692 system (replaced by another system only in 1786), and still cast until 1823. Below are period drawings of 24-, 18-, 12- and 8-pounder cannon barrels of that system (scales in Danish units/feet):

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And an example of the decoration of cast-iron barrels, here for a ruler reigning from 1766 (barrel at bottom; naval service cast-iron 24-pdr of the 1692 system):

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Danish carriages from the appropriate period for the ship:

For an 24-pdr:

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For an 8-pdr:

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Colours and different ways of rigging cannons (note: carriages with refinements as of about 1800!):

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[Ame]

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Out of a few possibilities, one of the most likely seems to be cast-iron cannons of the naval service 1692 system (replaced by another system only in 1786), and still cast until 1823. Below are period drawings of 24-, 18-, 12- and 8-pounder cannon barrels of that system (scales in Danish units/feet):

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And an example of the decoration of cast-iron barrels, here for a ruler reigning from 1766 (barrel at bottom; naval service cast-iron 24-pdr of the 1692 system):

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Danish carriages from the appropriate period for the ship:

For an 24-pdr:

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For an 8-pdr:

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Colours and different ways of rigging cannons (note: carriages with refinements as of about 1800!):

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WOW, thank you so much, that’s I’ve never seen, it will provides tons of help. I’ve been searching system of 1692 for a long time

 

[Ame]

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Out of a few possibilities, one of the most likely seems to be cast-iron cannons of the naval service 1692 system (replaced by another system only in 1786), and still cast until 1823. Below are period drawings of 24-, 18-, 12- and 8-pounder cannon barrels of that system (scales in Danish units/feet):

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View attachment 502036​

And an example of the decoration of cast-iron barrels, here for a ruler reigning from 1766 (barrel at bottom; naval service cast-iron 24-pdr of the 1692 system):

View attachment 502046​

Danish carriages from the appropriate period for the ship:

For an 24-pdr:

View attachment 502034

View attachment 502045​

For an 8-pdr:

View attachment 502035​

Colours and different ways of rigging cannons (note: carriages with refinements as of about 1800!):

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View attachment 502041

View attachment 502044
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If I really couldn‘t find 18 pounds, maybe the only way is to speculate through 24 and 12 pdr

 

[Ame]

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Do the folks at the Danish Archives have any information? The drawing above, assuming a 24 pounder, has a bore diameter of about 5.8 inches, it should be relatively easy to size everything from that. For the other calibers, getting the bore diameters is easy so the diameters and such can be found with ratios. Lengths would not necessarily be affected. Finding the lengths actually used on this ship for any of the other calibers is not so easy so may be more of a problem.

I downloaded the drawing you posted and brought it to full size. The overall length of the barrel is 117". The length of the bore is 100". The length of the carriage is 65" to give you an idea of the actual size. The only potential problem is that gun and carriage patterns in the above drawing may or may not be appropriate for 1764 as I see no date on the drawing. Also, with the view, there may be additional rings not shown in the area where the barrel passes out the gun port.

I do love the details in the drawing posted.

Allan

Thanks for your help, that’s what I’m planning to do, If really couldn't find accurate information

 

[-Waldemar-]

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If I really couldn‘t find 18 pounds, maybe the only way is to speculate through 24 and 12 pdr

There is a lot more material, graphic and written, about Danish artillery from this and other periods, including, if I remember correctly, dimensional data for carriages of all calibres, including the 18-pounder gun. The problem is that one would have to do a very difficult transcription of an extremely specialised text, in Danish and yet written in a Gothic style. As a result, a graphical interpolation of this carriage for the 18-pounder cannon seems infinitely more practical and easier. And rather quite safe.

Good luck.

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[-Waldemar-]

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If I really couldn‘t find 18 pounds, maybe the only way is to speculate through 24 and 12 pdr

As for the barrel of the 18-pounder gun, it is shown in the first graphic in the post above (i.e. #6). It is in the middle, between two other gun barrels. Going from the left: 24-pdr, 18-pdr and 12 pdr. In a separate graphic, just below, the barrel of an 8-pounder gun is shown.

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[Ame]

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As for the barrel of the 18-pounder gun, it is shown in the first graphic in the post above (i.e. #6). It is in the middle, between two other gun barrels. Going from the left: 24-pdr, 18-pdr and 12 pdr. In a separate graphic, just below, the barrel of an 8-pounder gun is shown.

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THANK YOU SO MUCH, is there a scale for the 8-pdr drawing?