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Help needed with rigging

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Hi people

I am part way through building the manatua president and have just about finished the fore mast and would like to know if anyone can tell me how and where to connect the lower shrouds to the fore mast. The manatua instructions are very vague

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Hi John,
Lower shrouds were looped around the top of the mast pretty much the same way on all ships. The number and size of the rope varied for each era and ship size, but the methodology was the same. The starboard fore pair goes on first, then the port forward most pair, then then next pair starboard, etc. etc. The following are from The Anatomy of the Ship by C. Nepean Longridge for the HMS Victory, but the concept should be pretty clear. Before the shrouds go on, the pendants go on. You can see the forestay and fore preventer stay going over top the shrouds in the first drawing as well. Note that the bight where it goes around the mast head is served several feet either side of the middle. It was about 8 feet on Voctory but no doubt less on smaller ships. Hope this helps.
Allan

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As you can see from Allan’s post the masthead was fitted with a number of cleats to keep the shrouds from sliding down the mast. Your model appears to be missing these.

Roger
 
AllanKP69 said:
Hi John,
Lower shrouds were looped around the top of the mast pretty much the same way on all ships. The number and size of the rope varied for each era and ship size, but the methodology was the same. The starboard fore pair goes on first, then the port forward most pair, then then next pair starboard, etc. etc. The following are from The Anatomy of the Ship by C. Nepean Longridge for the HMS Victory, but the concept should be pretty clear. Before the shrouds go on, the pendants go on. You can see the forestay and fore preventer stay going over top the shrouds in the first drawing as well. Note that the bight where it goes around the mast head is served several feet either side of the middle. It was about 8 feet on Voctory but no doubt less on smaller ships. Hope this helps.
Allan

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Cheers alan big help
 
Sorry, but most kits are not known for historical accuracy. Those shrouds are not going to stay in place by themselves.

Roger
 
AllanKP69 said:
Hi John,
Lower shrouds were looped around the top of the mast pretty much the same way on all ships. The number and size of the rope varied for each era and ship size, but the methodology was the same. The starboard fore pair goes on first, then the port forward most pair, then then next pair starboard, etc. etc. The following are from The Anatomy of the Ship by C. Nepean Longridge for the HMS Victory, but the concept should be pretty clear. Before the shrouds go on, the pendants go on. You can see the forestay and fore preventer stay going over top the shrouds in the first drawing as well. Note that the bight where it goes around the mast head is served several feet either side of the middle. It was about 8 feet on Voctory but no doubt less on smaller ships. Hope this helps.
Allan

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I followed that exact plan on the same model. Here goes. I used Syren models rope seizing tool to make the loops. It was time consuming but I was very happy with the result.20201002_125334.jpg20201002_170244.jpg20201002_173426.jpg
 
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