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L'Orenoque Mamoli 1:100 scale

Namabiiru said:
Chuck, I continue to be amazed by your work and you ability to reinterpret multiple sets of plans. I have in the stash some very fine brass mesh which might suit for the sponsons. Say the word, and it’s in the mail.
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Namabiiru! Thank you for the compliment! Yes, by combining these designs I can never be accused of having just made it up, unlike the kit designer ROTF

I appreciate the offer of the brass mesh, my friend! I'm going to see what I can do with paint and putty before I call in the cav,;)

Blessings.
Chuck
 
Martin By Eye said:
Seriously Chuck, you're asking model shipwrights how to make boats ??C'mon, you make best furniture and all ! ROTF I don't have a clue, i've been waiting for your brilliant solution forever ! Oh and by the way , i thought legal ethics was a dead subject in post truth modern America ?
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HA!ROTFROTF Martin! I guess it was a strange request. On the other hand if someone has made this wheel, why re-create it;) On the last topic, not in my class it ain't!

As to the boat solution, I am making a buck and planning to coat it in wax and plank. Again, we'll see. Happily, there's enough information on the plans for shipmates with 3D printing SKILLS (looking at you @JerryTodd :p) to step in an save the project if my handiwork is complete trash. :cool:

Blessings.
Chuck
 
Boats are a special challenge as they were built with minimum scantlings to minimize topside weight and to allow them to be handled. It’s almost impossible to make things thin enough at 1:100 scale.

I would therefore suggest that you build them from something other than wood. If you have built a male mold it be should be easy to lay up several layers of thin paper.

If you are willing to consider plastic, vacuum forming is another alternative.

Roger
 
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Roger Pellett said:
Boats are a special challenge as they were built with minimum scantlings to minimize topside weight and to allow them to be handled. It’s almost impossible to make things thin enough at 1:100 scale.

I would therefore suggest that you build them from something other than wood. If you have built a male mold it be should be easy to lay up several layers of thin paper.

If you are willing to consider plastic, vacuum forming is another alternative.

Roger
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Paper sounds like a good one, i was sort of thinking aluminium foil and epoxy resin might be possible.
 
Roger Pellett said:
Boats are a special challenge as they were built with minimum scantlings to minimize topside weight and to allow them to be handled. It’s almost impossible to make things thin enough at 1:100 scale.

I would therefore suggest that you build them from something other than wood. If you have built a male mold it be should be easy to lay up several layers of thin paper.

If you are willing to consider plastic, vacuum forming is another alternative.

Roger
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Martin By Eye said:
Paper sounds like a good one, i was sort of thinking aluminium foil and epoxy resin might be possible.
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Roger! Martin! Thank you!

Roger, I'll give paper a shot! I have the male mold and just need to treat it to make it non absorbant. I can see that I will have to be extra patient with this mini-kit.

Thank you for the, as always, well informed and thoughtful guidance!

Blessings.
Chuck
 
Hey Chuck,
I think you can certainly create something on a scale of up to 1/100. You can use any amount of wire, paper or even polystyrene in 9.25 mm thickness ... Or even fabric ... I'm curious. I like your little ship soooo much!

I look forward to further progress and pictures from you ...
Best regards
Günter.... Ship-1
 
Peter Gutterman said:
I think "wheelhouse" generally refers to a structure to house the ship's steering wheel.
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On the Mississippi Paddle Steamers they call that the Pilot House. And on such a side wheeler both paddle wheels are in the Wheel Houses.
But how they call those parts on your type of wheeler ……….?
Regards, Peter
 
Peter Voogt said:
I want to wish you a Happy Birthday, Chuck. Enjoy this day!
Regards, Peter
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dockattner said:
Cool! Happy birthday, Chuck! I hope you have a great day celebrating!
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Jimsky said:
Happy Birthday, Chuck! Birthday-Cake Have a wonderful special day!
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Corsair said:
Happy birthday Chuck ! I hope you have a great day !
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What ho, shipmates!

Thank you for the kind birthday wishes! I've been celebrating with the Admiral since Friday!

Blessings. Peace. Gratitude.
Chuck
 
What ho, shipmates!

Sorry for thelong delays between substantive posts. I know I owe you losts of pictures! Part of my birthday plan was to update the log. We'll see If that happens. Other parts of my birthday plan include finishing the copper on the hull, ironing shirts and completing some tailoring on my favorite fall/winter wear. TMI?

In short: The sponsons are complete! I only have three rows of copper plates to place on the starboard side!

I am saving the boat construction for a bigger block of time - I am particularly intrigued by all of the creative solutions to the problem of the bateuax tambours on the sponsons. Roger @Roger Pellett noted the difficulty of making them at scale - and I appreciate the thought of using paper to try to do the subject justice. The plans I have are from L'Orenoque's sister ship Panama. One boat weighed 5352.23 pounds (2430 kg) and was 34' 5" (10.5 m)! Thanks to Jerry @JerryTodd, have have made sure to collect the paper grocery bags ROTF.

My orginal buck/form was carved from balsa stock - I carved it by eye and it came out too small and too dentable. I have pieced together a suitable substitute from basswood. This time, I will paste the scale shapes on all four sides and then carve.

That's it for the moment. We'll see what happens in the next couple of hours!

Blessings. Peace. Gratitude.
Chuck
 
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What ho, shipmates!

I'm giving my self too little time, again. Class in 20 minutes.

Here's how the sponsons came together: First, the kit plan (shown below) is complete fantasy. I won't repeat the long list of other inaccuracies of the kit sponsons I catalogued in earlier posts. Note the number of supports. Although, I now believe that there were supports for the sponsons, this is too much. None of the available plans for the class of ship (450 hp steam frigate) show the supports, but the models of smaller ships show a more elegant solution which I intend to replicate. That solution was iron rather than huge balks of timber. I wrote that "I now believe" that some support is necessary because before I hadn't thought of the weight of the bateaux tambours, almost 2.5 tons sitting outboard atop the sponsons. Martin @Martin By Eye, I know that we discussed the issue an were thinking perhaps the weight could have been born without lower supports because the sponsons were so stoutly attached to the fabric of the hull and the bulwarks.
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Below is a shot of the basic parts of my sponson solution. Upper left - red arrows - I built a frame to sit over the wheels with the inboard side resting on top of the bulwark and against the side of the ship (I added scrap to the inboard side of the wheels so that I had 1/16" clearance between the wheel and the interior of the housing inboard. Next - blue arrows - show the separate fore and aft water closet structures with the one aft having a gangway for coming aboard in accordance with the original plan. I built these structures and then glued the forward structure to the larger box. Once I was satisfied the glue was dry and things were still mainly level and square, I glued the aft structure to the whole. The result was a complete structure that can be removed without problem while I work on the rest of the ship. Next - magenta arrows - the water closed tops and the light green arrows pointing at the aft structure and pointing out the scuppers - there are scuppers on the forward water closet as well - had to see in this picture.

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That's it for the moment. I gotta go teach :eek: :eek: :eek:
 
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