HMS Enterprise 1774 POF 1:48.

[GrantTyler]

Good morning. I’m doing repetitive work so you guys must feel my pain with some repetitive posts

More treenails :

More WIP with cannons :

Off to have a curry at a new restaurant here with my business partner- I have to do some work once in a while.
Cheers Grant

 

[AllanKP69]

A repeat but, I do love the Armstrong Frederick pattern guns which would be appropriate for Enterprise, 1774 instead of the generic cannon we usually see.
How are you rounding the axles on the carriages? Have you made and tried a cutter like in https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/threads/tricks-of-the-trade.15492/
Allan

 

[GrantTyler]

A repeat but, I do love the Armstrong Frederick pattern guns which would be appropriate for Enterprise, 1774 instead of the generic cannon we usually see.
How are you rounding the axles on the carriages? Have you made and tried a cutter like in https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/threads/tricks-of-the-trade.15492/
Allan

Hi Allan. I have just done a skim in the lathe however I still need to finish off by hand. My cheap lathe doesn’t hold the wood 100% centre so some hand sanding to get them round still needs to be done. Well mostly round.
Cheers Grant

 

[Daniel20]

Good looking canons, are they kit supplied?

 

[AllanKP69]

I have just done a skim in the lathe however I still need to finish off by hand. My cheap lathe doesn’t hold the wood 100% centre so some hand sanding to get them round still needs to be done. Well mostly round

If you have a small piece of brass or aluminum, or steel rod, just drill a hole the size of the axle that you want. Cross cut with a hack saw or hobby back saw to creae a couple teeth. Cut the ends of the axles to the right size, square or octagon as you wish, then hold the axle piece in a vice and chuck the cutter in any small drill press or even a hand drill and cut the axle. It takes a fraction of a second and does a clean job, It will save you a lot of time and grief. If you were closer I'd pop one in the mail for you. Whatever works, go for it.

I have four or five cutters of various diameters that will last life times.

 

[GrantTyler]

If you have a small piece of brass or aluminum, or steel rod, just drill a hole the size of the axle that you want. Cross cut with a hack saw or hobby back saw to creae a couple teeth. Cut the ends of the axles to the right size, square or octagon as you wish, then hold the axle piece in a vice and chuck the cutter in any small drill press or even a hand drill and cut the axle. It takes a fraction of a second and does a clean job, It will save you a lot of time and grief. If you were closer I'd pop one in the mail for you. Whatever works, go for it.

I have four or five cutters of various diameters that will last life times.
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Thanks Allan. This very cool. I have seen you post this before however I am very tool limited. I will give it a go and see if I can drill a hole dead center into brass/metal rod...... . Worth a try though as it will save me plenty of time trying to hand sand these. Cheers Grant

 

[AllanKP69]

You mentioned you have a lathe. If it is a metal turning lather, easy peasy. If not, drill and vice will work, but slow and steady. You only need to go in a quarter inch or so. Or, if there is a shop nearby or someone you know with a lathe, maybe have them make a half dozen with different diameters for future use. Wish I was closer to make some and send to you. Even US Postal basic (read that as very slow) service is $20 or more.
Allan

 

[GrantTyler]

Good morning everyone

I have changed the kit cannon carriages so I have a more representative version of the real thing.

I have added some axle bolts and through bolts and moved the tackle ring bolts. The eye bolts are as the kit. I also included a hinge bolt on the cap squares. I just used a nail on the front bolt however may change this on the others.

On some of these I left a tiny protrusion to represent a bolt.



@AllanKP69 My hand sanded axletrees are not spot on so I will attempt to make your jig. Thanks for the assistance.
Cheers Grant

 

[Gilbertm]

Good morning everyone

I have changed the kit cannon carriages so I have a more representative version of the real thing.

I have added some axle bolts and through bolts and moved the tackle ring bolts. The eye bolts are as the kit. I also included a hinge bolt on the cap squares. I just used a nail on the front bolt however may change this on the others.

On some of these I left a tiny protrusion to represent a bolt.

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@AllanKP69 My hand sanded axletrees are not spot on so I will attempt to make your jig. Thanks for the assistance.
Cheers Grant

Very nice

 

[Peter Voogt]

Good morning everyone

I have changed the kit cannon carriages so I have a more representative version of the real thing.

I have added some axle bolts and through bolts and moved the tackle ring bolts. The eye bolts are as the kit. I also included a hinge bolt on the cap squares. I just used a nail on the front bolt however may change this on the others.

On some of these I left a tiny protrusion to represent a bolt.

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@AllanKP69 My hand sanded axletrees are not spot on so I will attempt to make your jig. Thanks for the assistance.
Cheers Grant

A very nice outcome of the carriage and canon, Grant. It will definitely look good on your model. You will add some representative blocks and ropes?
Regards, Peter

 

[AllanKP69]

Based on the number of "likes" on the post showing photos of the cutters, I am guessing a lot of members had missed the tricks of the trade subject. There are a lot of tips from a number of members that others should find useful, or at least interesting.
Allan

Tricks of the trade

After posting a picture on rounding axles a member had the idea of a thread with little "how-to" items or tricks of the trade that might be of interest for both kit and scratch builders.. Hope this is of interest for one and all to contribute their little tricks. If this subject has already...

shipsofscale.com

 

[dockattner]

Well played, Grant!

 

[Daniel20]

A very nice change to the canon carriage's Grant.

 

[GrantTyler]

Very nice

Thank you Gilbert. Congratulations to your team for winning the 6 nations last weekend. Close call tho

A very nice outcome of the carriage and canon, Grant. It will definitely look good on your model. You will add some representative blocks and ropes?
Regards, Peter

Thank you kindly Peter. I am very please with how it came out. Unfortunately, as it is not my favourite job, I will be doing the full rigging for the cannons.

Based on the number of "likes" on the post showing photos of the cutters, I am guessing a lot of members had missed the tricks of the trade subject. There are a lot of tips from a number of members that others should find useful, or at least interesting.
Allan

Tricks of the trade

After posting a picture on rounding axles a member had the idea of a thread with little "how-to" items or tricks of the trade that might be of interest for both kit and scratch builders.. Hope this is of interest for one and all to contribute their little tricks. If this subject has already...

shipsofscale.com

Thanks Allan. It is always good to pick up ideas etc from the other guys.

Well played, Grant!

A very nice change to the canon carriage's Grant.

Thank you Paul and Daniel. I’m pretty happy with this look- I think it will go very nicely with the look I want to achieve.
Cheers Grant

 

[Jimsky]

Good morning everyone

I have changed the kit cannon carriages so I have a more representative version of the real thing.

I have added some axle bolts and through bolts and moved the tackle ring bolts. The eye bolts are as the kit. I also included a hinge bolt on the cap squares. I just used a nail on the front bolt however may change this on the others.

On some of these I left a tiny protrusion to represent a bolt.

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@AllanKP69 My hand sanded axletrees are not spot on so I will attempt to make your jig. Thanks for the assistance.
Cheers Grant

In the end, the most important thing is that you are satisfied with your own work; when it matches your vision and brings you that quiet sense of “yes, this is right.”

 

[Dean62]

In the end, the most important thing is that you are satisfied with your own work; when it matches your vision and brings you that quiet sense of “yes, this is right.”

Agreed, we are doing this for ourselves after all, even if we post our build.

 

[GrantTyler]

In the end, the most important thing is that you are satisfied with your own work; when it matches your vision and brings you that quiet sense of “yes, this is right.”

Agreed, we are doing this for ourselves after all, even if we post our build.

Good morning Jim and Dean. True story. I’m at the stage in my shipbuilding career where I am building something representative vs going for a 100% replica. Maybe one day I will attempt this however right now my knowledge and skills are limited so “if it looks like a 18th century ships cannon it must be an 18th century ships cannon”.

So far I’m very chuffed with how my Enterprise is going and the fact that the Admiral says on regular occasions - “stop building ships and go make some money” says everything .
Cheers Grant

 

[GrantTyler]

Good morning everyone.

As I said earlier - repetition repetition repetition……..I have to share this with you all .

Some more cannon progress

The portside treenails nearly finished:

Cheers Grant

 

[GrantTyler]

Oh. The trunnions of the cannons provided are all too short. I have ordered some 2mm brass wire and will solder this to extend them to the end of the cannon carriages. Hopefully this will work.

Cheers Grant

 

[AllanKP69]

I have ordered some 2mm brass wire and will solder this to extend them to the end of the cannon carriages. Hopefully this will work.

Hi Grant
Are they too short or are the brackets too thick? It is hard to tell from the photos. Assuming these are 9 pounders, according to the dimension chart in the Treatise of Artillery of 1768 by John Mullar the brackets for nine pounders were 4" thick. (2.11mm at 1:48 scale) The drawings for appropriate carriages in Caruana's The History of English Sea Ordnance, based on measurements taken by S. P. Ayre in 1768, are the same. Round numbers, the trunnion diameter and bracket thickness were close to the diameter of the cannon ball for each gun, The trunnion stuck out about 4.4 inches from the barrel on the nine pounders. Yours may be spot on, hard to tell, but thought it might present an alternative solution.
Allan