Plans HMS Pégasus

I will go ahead and ask this:
Is there a source book - a Dover book or something similar with a series of the images used in the friezes, relief carvings and full figure carvings that was originally printed in the 18thC. ? Most of the time I have a difficult time deciphering what is trying to be shown. Some seem to be contemporary martial and some from Greece and Rome of antiquity.

Hi Paul, Do you have any that you can post? The Fly drawings are great, but if you have others, that would be super. David does refer to the Fly drawing and even states that leaving off the painting altogether is an option. There is a contemporary model at RMG of Atalanta 1775 that may also be helpful although the views are not so easy to use to discern that actual painting on the stern.
Allan

AllanKP69 said:

Hi Paul, Do you have any that you can post? The Fly drawings are great, but if you have others, that would be super. David does refer to the Fly drawing and even states that leaving off the painting altogether is an option. There is a contemporary model at RMG of Atalanta 1775 that may also be helpful although the views are not so easy to use to discern that actual painting on the stern.
Allan

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Are we talking about the frieze along the side of the ship or the painting on the stern? I assumed we were talking about the frieze running along the side.

In any case, it seems I overstated my case, Allan. I just went back and looked and realize my collection of images cannot be verified for subject and date...

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dockattner said:

Are we talking about the frieze along the side of the ship or the painting on the stern?

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Both actually. The sides are pretty easy to find as your photos show very well. The stern is not very common in the RMG Collections library. I don't have the Rogers collection book but a good number of photos from Preble Hall I took some years ago. I wish I had an excuse to get back to Annapolis and take another 500 photos or more. Maybe some day;
Allan

AllanKP69 said:

Both actually. The sides are pretty easy to find as your photos show very well. The stern is not very common in the RMG Collections library. I don't have the Rogers collection book but a good number of photos from Preble Hall I took some years ago. I wish I had an excuse to get back to Annapolis and take another 500 photos or more. Maybe some day;
Allan

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I do have the three volumes. There are only a few 6th rates (the topic of this thread) - but I don't want to get sideways with the publisher. If you or the OP are interested perhaps we could communicate via PM.

I painted the frieze for my Alert model in the style of the Marshall paintings. I would point you to my build log on MSW, but that is no longer an option. Some things I can suggest are:

1. Practice lots on scrap / paper before you attempt on the model. I probably did 5 or 6 versions before I attempted the model.
2. Make sure you are able to hold the ship comfortably so your hand is resting on somthing. I held it between my knees to paint the lower counter. This obviously means that you need to do this before adding external details that might be damaged.

What I did is not the best you will find out there but it is passable at normal viewing distances. What I will say is that I much prefer hand painted models than those where you glue on a printed frieze. Even if the painting is not perfect it allways looks better to my eye.

Here are some in progress pictures that may help as I was painting my transom / lower counter:

Step 1 I draw the shapes in pencil:


Step 2 I outline the shapes in paint:


Step three I block in the basic colours and more detail:


Step 4 I block in the shadows:


And then I forgot to take more pictures, but essentially I went back and forth reinforcing the shadows and highlights and glazing in the transitions. This took a lot of time and you can see the end result here:


Then finally here is the ultimate image. I am not super pleased with the faces, but this is only at 1/64 scale so at normal viewing distances it looks good enough:

Thukydides said:

I painted the frieze for my Alert model in the style of the Marshall paintings. I would point you to my build log on MSW, but that is no longer an option.

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It's a shame the log got vaporized, it was really an excellent reference, especially for painting ideas (even if I didn't end up actually doing any of them...). Good to see some photos of it, the gradient from light to dark blue really adds to the look. Did I see that you'll soon be giving an NRG workshop on painting?

JacquesCousteau said:

It's a shame the log got vaporized, it was really an excellent reference, especially for painting ideas (even if I didn't end up actually doing any of them...). Good to see some photos of it, the gradient from light to dark blue really adds to the look. Did I see that you'll soon be giving an NRG workshop on painting?

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Yes at the end of the month. I am going to cover a lot of the ground I covered in my log, just with more detail and an emphasis on explaining why, not just what. Hope to see you there.