1760s Forestay & Bobstay Deadeye/Heart Lanyards

[mdpaulhus]

Greetings

I am currently rigging my model of the Artesania Latina Bounty. I am working on the bowsprit area and I am confuse about some details in the plans. The plans for bobstays (using deadeyes) and Forestays (using hearts) show the lanyards frapped in the center as shown on the image below. My interpretation of this is what I am showing in the photo.





My confusion arises because I am unable to find any detail like this in any of my books (Lee, Lever, Mondfeld Peterson...). I also cannot seem to find any photos of real ships showing this. So I am wondering of this is just a fabrication of the kit manufacturer and whether I should just use normal deadeye and heart lanyard rigging as I can find in almost any source.

Any Guidance would be well appreciated. Thanks.

 

[Smithy]

The instructions for my recent Vanguard Models Alert called for this frapping on the preventer stay (hearts) and the bobstay (wooden eyes?).

 

[daneno2010]

This is what I’m going with. I’m not sure if it correct but…

 

[Philski]

Greetings

I am currently rigging my model of the Artesania Latina Bounty. I am working on the bowsprit area and I am confuse about some details in the plans. The plans for bobstays (using deadeyes) and Forestays (using hearts) show the lanyards frapped in the center as shown on the image below. My interpretation of this is what I am showing in the photo.

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My confusion arises because I am unable to find any detail like this in any of my books (Lee, Lever, Mondfeld Peterson...). I also cannot seem to find any photos of real ships showing this. So I am wondering of this is just a fabrication of the kit manufacturer and whether I should just use normal deadeye and heart lanyard rigging as I can find in almost any source.

Any Guidance would be well appreciated. Thanks.

There are Build Logs (go from the Home Menu) and many models of the Bountry are represented there. Take the time to look and you might get a clearer idea of how to proceed. Welcome to the group too!

 

[AllanKP69]

For me Lees description on the stay and bobstay lanyards rigging is a bit confusing. That said, once the lanyard was tied off he shows a seizing wrapped around it between the deadeyes or hearts rather than it being frapped. Perhaps some ships frapped the lanyards rather than having the seizings. Open hearts replaced closed hearts from 1773 on so would be more appropriate for the Bounty.
Allan

 

[mdpaulhus]

Thanks to all who responded. In the end, I decided that I would just maintain the same method for the bobstays, and forestays as is typically used on the shrouds and other standing rigging. It did seem to make sense to me that a standard approach was probably more likely. My execution is a bit simplified, but I still think it is fine at this scale. It is essentially what Daenno showed above also.

Another note on the bobstays. I wanted to do the double line using the continuous loop that Lee indicates in his book. This is also what I see on the Victory and other ships of the same period. Struggled with that for hours until I realized that instead of some microscopic splice, I could just tie the line into a loop with a basic knot (making sure it was the correct length) and then rotate the line so that the knot was hidden inside the hold drilled in the bow. The deadeye was then placed inside the loop in the correct location.

Below, and just out of interest, I am posting two photos of the start of my mast pre-rigging. It is simply amazing how many lines are attached directly to the masts, or to blocks attached directly to the masts. The second is just the top of the mizzen mast. Now if I just had a clear picture of where all these lines (and the running rigging) would belay to I would be all set! I am actually creating a full map for this from all the books I have on hand - but of course not enough belaying points for everything on the model when fully rigged with sails.






Thanks

Mark