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very clean and crisp lines. congratulations!
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38-gun frigate HMS "Naiad" 1797 1/48
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Beautiful job, excellent workmanship. My only question regards the double wheel. My research, and that of Kroum Batchvarov indicates that a single wheel was used. You scan check Batchvarov's "The Ship's Wheel" on his site.
Wow very nice work.
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there is no point in giving advice, everyone has different capabilities
You can also use scrapers to “sand” or work on the inside, which is a bit more time-consuming but more precise.
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I did not mean to upset you with my response about the double wheel. Your workmanship is truly excellent, and your model is outstanding. The problem lies with the plans you purchased. For some reason, plans and kits for Frigates show double wheels for almost all ships. The original USF Constitution had a single wheel, as demonstrated in the "Hull Model" Which was built by the ship's carpenter and presented to Commander Hull. During my research on the USF "Essex", I went to the British Maritime Museum in Greenwich to check the Admiralty models. Not one Frigate or sixth rate ship had a double wheel ! Dr. Kroum Baqtchvarov has a YouTube posted In which he states that "no frigate had a double wheel until after the French Revolution. . . " My hope is that this error can be corrected someday, and that kit makers will eliminate this error.
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1. "Naiad" frigate of the 5th rank
2. in any drawings there are questionable moments or inconsistencies, in this case it is Ed Tosti's reconstruction, you either accept it or make your own, this also applies to Budrio, Delacroix, Lavery, etc.
3. after digging around in the Greenwich archives for about 10 years, I realized a simple thought - "never say never again"(C)
4. good luck )))
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Hello Zimmermann, The French Revolution lasted from 1789 to 1799. The Naiad was launched in 1797, and according to the Naval Review, it was in service until 1898. According to the review, when it was scrapped in 1898, the Naiad was the second-longest-serving British ship at Trafalgar, after HMS Victory. A lot can change in a hundred years, even a steering wheel.Of course, this is all just speculation, but perhaps @AllanKP69 can shed some light on the matter.
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View down the length of the Leda or Phoenix, 36 gun fifth rate of 1783 on display at the Naval Academy Museum at Annapolis.
RE: USF Constitution, I cannot find anything about her original wheel other than that is was shot away by the HMS Java and is described as a double wheel. An early double wheel from the Connie was/is supposedly located at the US Merchant Marine Academy in Kings Point NY where I saw it numerous times while there and is a masterpiece. I just sent a note to Dr. Herzog at the Connie Museum to ask if this is correct and why it would be there. Should have asked back in the day 
Maybe a copy????? I did find the below in the Museum archival information.
Picture of the double wheel on Connie in recent times:
Maybe a copy????? I did find the below in the Museum archival information.William Bainbridge, captain of USS Constitution for her War of 1812 battle against HMS Java, found himself in a very difficult situation only twenty minutes into the almost three and one-half hour engagement with the British frigate. One of Java‘s shot made a direct hit on Constitution‘s double wheel, immediately killing two of the four quartermasters who were steering – Mark Snow and John D. Allen. The two survivors were injured — Peter Woodbury’s left thumb was shot off and William Leonard was slightly wounded, according to the “Bainbridge Battle Bill” in Record Group 45 in the National Archives. Bainbridge, too, received injuries from shrapnel when the shot shattered the wheel and surrounding companionway railings, but he remained on deck for the rest of the battle.
Picture of the double wheel on Connie in recent times:
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I believe sixth rates were normally with single wheels, but not fifth rates for which I have seen both. Below are fifth rate models at the Royal Museum Greenwich with double wheels.
Below are a couple drawings from the Royal Museum Greenwich of fifth rates with a single wheel. Single wheels on the plans are in the majority of the plans that show more than just the drum without any wheels which was the most common presentation. None of contracts that I went through state how many wheels.
Had the following note from Dr. Herzog at the Connie Museum.
There are no definitive records showing whether the ship had a single or double wheel when launched in 1797, but based on the manning requirements recorded in an early watch/quarter/station bill, we believe the ship was built with a single wheel and converted to a double in 1808.
It appears she fought the quasi French war and Barbary wars with a single wheel but had a double installed before fighting the British in the War of 1812. Pick your poison for the model
Allan
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Beautiful model! I wish I had the woodworking skills.