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sevish

sevish

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I'm preparing the shrouds

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Formast 9 shrouds each side
So what is the lay order first the 4 pairs for each side? s1,s2,w1,w2,w3,w4,w5,w6 and then p3 and p4 or p5 ?

And how will be the mainmast with 10 srouds each side ?
s1,s2,w1,w2,w3,w4,w5,w6 and then w7,w8 p5 or p1?


Cheers
Guy
 
Hi Guy,

Is the ship the Montane? The reason I ask is because the drawing you show has a spritsail topmast which were not normally used by 1794 when Montane was launched, even on Spanish ships. Rigging varied in different eras, ships, nations, but the drawing you show is different than what I had seen before. I thought the pendants would go on first and would be singles. These were followed by the shrouds. Most common, (but there were no doubt variations) would be having the shrouds as doubles if even numbered, or if an odd number a swifter was rigged as the aft most shroud. Last came the stays. The lower shroud of S1 appears to indicate it is served the entire length as was done, but this is not shown on the forward shroud of the S2 pair.
There are pages of details in both Lees' The Masting and Rigging English Ships of War, and in Anderson's The Rigging of Ships in the Days of the Spritsail Topmast but may not be helpful for Spanish ships. The latter does get into some details on several different nations.
Allan
 
AllanKP69 said:
Hi Guy,

Is the ship the Montane? The reason I ask is because the drawing you show has a spritsail topmast which were not normally used by 1794 when Montane was launched, even on Spanish ships. Rigging varied in different eras, ships, nations, but the drawing you show is different than what I had seen before. I thought the pendants would go on first and would be singles. These were followed by the shrouds. Most common, (but there were no doubt variations) would be having the shrouds as doubles if even numbered, or if an odd number a swifter was rigged as the aft most shroud. Last came the stays. The lower shroud of S1 appears to indicate it is served the entire length as was done, but this is not shown on the forward shroud of the S2 pair.
There are pages of details in both Lees' The Masting and Rigging English Ships of War, and in Anderson's The Rigging of Ships in the Days of the Spritsail Topmast but may not be helpful for Spanish ships. The latter does get into some details on several different nations.
Allan
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Yes it's for The Montañés,
Thank for the explanation.
kuba91nt said:
You make a knot called "swifter" if there is no pair.

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http://kativ.eu/ivohobby/Ships/Victory/Drawing-12-Rigging-stage-1.pdf

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Thank you it's make the picture more clearly.
 
sevish said:
Another quick question, was the 1st. And 2nd shrouds where served or only the first one

**Currently i'll ignore the tackles and will basically will go partially with occre rigging schemes
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Swifter is non used except for the shrouds, if that's what you're asking.

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sevish said:
I ment that if only the first shroud has been fully served,warped with tiny rope or also the 2nd rope as well
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Regarding these two ropes, someone would have to speak with a source. I've seen models where swifter and first rope of first pair were wrapped, but i don't know if that's correct.

In your case, wrap only first rope.

You also need to consider where place a single, as you can place it both in 2 wariants, down and foront, or up and backside. It's a matter of size unit, nationality, and year.
 
kuba91nt said:
Regarding these two ropes, someone would have to speak with a source. I've seen models where swifter and first rope of first pair were wrapped, but i don't know if that's correct.

In your case, wrap only first rope.

You also need to consider where place a single, as you can place it both in 2 wariants, down and foront, or up and backside. It's a matter of size unit, nationality, and year.
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oh,oopsy , never mind did it to the 2 sides already i ran with the serving the whole yard
ho well....
I won't tell that it's a mistake
 
sevish said:
oh,oopsy , never mind did it to the 2 sides already i ran with the serving the whole yard
ho well....
I won't tell that it's a mistake
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Nah. Protecting lines is in purpose is to prevent from wear on the line and shield it from the elements. IDK it is wrong, just maybe be look in some spots just to "heavy"

 
Well ohla is something else :)
But I will just do the same with the mainmast 2 first shrouds (1st pair) will be served and the rest i will leave only with the top area served
 
sevish said:
Well ohla is something else :)
But I will just do the same with the mainmast 2 first shrouds (1st pair) will be served and the rest i will leave only with the top area served
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Whatever you do, it will be more accurate and attractive than rigging in this kit. In my opinion, that's a very good decision to rechange ropes. Make a nice rigging and send it to manufacturer, let them get involved in quality of their kits and learn how to build local vessels.
Oh, i forgot, you can't show them that, they don't like you... ROTF:rolleyes:
 
kuba91nt said:
Whatever you do, it will be more accurate and attractive than rigging in this kit. In my opinion, that's a very good decision to rechange ropes. Make a nice rigging and send it to manufacturer, let them get involved in quality of their kits and learn how to build local vessels.
Oh, i forgot, you can't show them that, they don't like you... ROTF:rolleyes:
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well so I didn't liked the outcome so i just bunserved half the thread leaving only one shroud served...


And i opened a new FB account so they didn't do the connection between the two accounts
ha ha ha

So now I'm again there until the next one who will ask if he should buy the new SR
 
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