Advice on rigging.

[Vfordyce]

Hi Bobc622, Yes! I still have all th Endeavour instructions, tattered and torn after almost 40 years, but complete, I'll mail you separately as to how to get them to you as postal service in South Africa, as far as I know, has almost totally collapsed.

To all that have commented on my enquiry regarding the rigging, my sincerest thanks - I've learned a lot! However, the point of my question has been largely missed. Constructo DID provide all the rope and thread in my list (see again below); If it had only been one thickness of black and one of hemp, I would have had no problem: running and standing. but now there are thick and thin ones of both, as well as the brass.

Rope PROVIDED by Constructo, with lengths (their description):

• Fine rigging thread, 0.25 mm, brass. 3 m.
• Fine rigging thread, 0.50 mm, hemp. 75 m.
• Thick rigging thread, 0.75 mm, hemp. 30 m.
• Fine rigging thread, black, 0.50 mm, tarred. 15 m.
• Thick rigging thread, black, 0.75 mm, tarred. 25 m.

Finally. How do I get rid of the "J" in my correspondence, and replace it with some icon?
Jan

At the toolbar on top, there should be a J in a green box. Click on it and you can find your information. Then click on the J and you can upload an avatar.

 

[MikeC]

I’ve wondered — rigging sizes are specified in reference books of the sail era and I see no reason to doubt them. But how would shrouds and stays have appeared after being served? I suspect thicker than their specified line sizes. Anybody have comments?

 

[frankieg]

I’ve wondered — rigging sizes are specified in reference books of the sail era and I see no reason to doubt them. But how would shrouds and stays have appeared after being served? I suspect thicker than their specified line sizes. Anybody have comments?

I believe seizing would have been in addition to the rope size specified. That's my take, cheers

 

[frankieg]

Hi Bobc622, Yes! I still have all th Endeavour instructions, tattered and torn after almost 40 years, but complete, I'll mail you separately as to how to get them to you as postal service in South Africa, as far as I know, has almost totally collapsed.

To all that have commented on my enquiry regarding the rigging, my sincerest thanks - I've learned a lot! However, the point of my question has been largely missed. Constructo DID provide all the rope and thread in my list (see again below); If it had only been one thickness of black and one of hemp, I would have had no problem: running and standing. but now there are thick and thin ones of both, as well as the brass.

Rope PROVIDED by Constructo, with lengths (their description):

• Fine rigging thread, 0.25 mm, brass. 3 m.
• Fine rigging thread, 0.50 mm, hemp. 75 m.
• Thick rigging thread, 0.75 mm, hemp. 30 m.
• Fine rigging thread, black, 0.50 mm, tarred. 15 m.
• Thick rigging thread, black, 0.75 mm, tarred. 25 m.

Finally. How do I get rid of the "J" in my correspondence, and replace it with some icon?

Hi Bobc622, Yes! I still have all th Endeavour instructions, tattered and torn after almost 40 years, but complete, I'll mail you separately as to how to get them to you as postal service in South Africa, as far as I know, has almost totally collapsed.

To all that have commented on my enquiry regarding the rigging, my sincerest thanks - I've learned a lot! However, the point of my question has been largely missed. Constructo DID provide all the rope and thread in my list (see again below); If it had only been one thickness of black and one of hemp, I would have had no problem: running and standing. but now there are thick and thin ones of both, as well as the brass.

Rope PROVIDED by Constructo, with lengths (their description):

• Fine rigging thread, 0.25 mm, brass. 3 m.
• Fine rigging thread, 0.50 mm, hemp. 75 m.
• Thick rigging thread, 0.75 mm, hemp. 30 m.
• Fine rigging thread, black, 0.50 mm, tarred. 15 m.
• Thick rigging thread, black, 0.75 mm, tarred. 25 m.

Finally. How do I get rid of the "J" in my correspondence, and replace it with some icon?
Jan

Basically, "rope" provided by kits always give you just 2 sizes (some better quality kits more), you have to work with it. Hence , advice given to you re making your own rope. The list you show indicates to me, .5mm hemp for all running rigging, so whatever runs through sheaves to sails etc, .75mm hemp for pendants ?, maybe sail boltropes etc., .5mm black for anchor cables etc, finally thick black for shrouds, stays, although normally they are different in thickness. Seriously, you need to look things up, there are books galore by James Lees, Lennarth Petersson, the list is endless, Google every subject. I've bought books, borrowed from library. I'm sorry, I have made my own rope from the start, all sorts of thicknesses, I don't use kit supplied rope. . This ship modelling can be just to follow the basic instructions or you can go down the rabbit hole. Hope I've been of some help. I've just realised I've preached a bit, just pick out what helps you. Cheers

 

[tommyg]

Danny Vadas created an excellent Masting and Rigging Calculation Spreadsheet that allows you to plug in the scale and size of the ship for a calculation of what size each line should be. This is a fantastic resource that utilizes standard calculations and historical resources (e.g., Lees, Masting and Rigging).
This may be a bit more detail that you would need, given your five sizes of line, but it should you give a good idea of which of your lines are intended to be used where.

Nice tool for the serious modeller.... but I'm just a casual builder. I find it difficult to use a digital caliper on wood strips and especially thread. I can never determine the amount of pressure to get an accurate reading. Can anyone help with this problem?

 

[Jack Sparrow]

Nice tool for the serious modeller.... but I'm just a casual builder. I find it difficult to use a digital caliper on wood strips and especially thread. I can never determine the amount of pressure to get an accurate reading. Can anyone help with this problem?

I think I read this trick somewhere on this site:

take a dowel and wrap the rope around the dowel 10 times. measure the width of the windings. divide that number by 10.

 

[GrantTyler]

Hi Bobc622, Yes! I still have all th Endeavour instructions, tattered and torn after almost 40 years, but complete, I'll mail you separately as to how to get them to you as postal service in South Africa, as far as I know, has almost totally collapsed.

To all that have commented on my enquiry regarding the rigging, my sincerest thanks - I've learned a lot! However, the point of my question has been largely missed. Constructo DID provide all the rope and thread in my list (see again below); If it had only been one thickness of black and one of hemp, I would have had no problem: running and standing. but now there are thick and thin ones of both, as well as the brass.

Rope PROVIDED by Constructo, with lengths (their description):

• Fine rigging thread, 0.25 mm, brass. 3 m.
• Fine rigging thread, 0.50 mm, hemp. 75 m.
• Thick rigging thread, 0.75 mm, hemp. 30 m.
• Fine rigging thread, black, 0.50 mm, tarred. 15 m.
• Thick rigging thread, black, 0.75 mm, tarred. 25 m.

Finally. How do I get rid of the "J" in my correspondence, and replace it with some icon?
Jan

Hi Jan from fellow SA. Quick question? I need to get some wood planking, walnut and birch. Do you know the best way to get this here in SA? Can’t use post as you know.

Cheers
Grant

 

[Brewbrarian]

I find it difficult to use a digital caliper on wood strips and especially thread. I can never determine the amount of pressure to get an accurate reading. Can anyone help with this problem?

@tommyg ,
I use a pair of digital calipers and make 3-4 quick measurements of my finished line with a very gentle pressure. I just sort of flick it closed and let it stop somewhat naturally. I have been quite surprised that these measurements are usually within about .005". Do this a handful of times, and you have a really good indication. Not sure how that would compare with analog calipers, but like anything, a fair statistical sample will do you well.

When I first started making my own rope, I found this table from @DocBlake to be quite useful. I am now using a different polyester thread (Gutermann Mara 100), but that table really helped me find my own footing.

The most important thing, I think, is getting the lines to progress in the right directions from large (main stay, lower main shrouds) to small (t'gallant braces, etc.). This is the case whether you are using 3 different line sizes or 15.

 

[Janmal]

Hi Jan from fellow SA. Quick question? I need to get some wood planking, walnut and birch. Do you know the best way to get this here in SA? Can’t use post as you know.

Cheers
Grant

Hi Grant, sorry, the wood I have used in both cases came with the kits.
Regards
Jan