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Actually, a lot of the comments made throughout this topic are very relevant to the original subject: what do you think about a TV program to spread modeling to a wider audience?
One needs to elaborate on why one would say "yes or no". Unless that is all the original poster expected: Yes or No.
First, one needs to assume the original question was about ship modeling.
If one does, the subject of a TV program must be studied, planned and executed. I am not a TV program producer, but I would imagine that any program on any subject goes through a boardroom dicussion process to make sure it is viable to reach as wide an audience as possible. Many of the comment qualify as such and there is definitly an argument to be made in favor or not.
And to answer the question, you may count me in the "no, I do not think it is not a good idea" ranks.
The second part of the subject line (The masters who are here and have free time can give lessons and practices about modeling...)
Not so much the who, but what defines the masters in question for the original poster?
One needs to know that once the term master has been defined, does he or she has the time to dedicate him or herself to be featured in such complicated venture: a TV program.
But then again, in our "social media world" these days, everyone is a so-called expert modeler.
And in my opinion, it is quite something to assume that any well seasoned / talented modeler (master) has that kind of time and energy to dedicate on top of building his / her models, which in itself can take months, years to achieve.
On a personal note and as written by some here, I do not think model ship building needs to grow an audience. Building is a solitary endeavor at every level. Yes, most modelers seek information while at the same time, they often also seeks or needs recognition for his / her work (good or bad). It would seem that it is where a forum come in: be nice to all, no criticism given or be qualified as an elitist. Although the assumption is that most modeler wish to improve on both these subjects: technique and overall look of fidelity for their model.
By definition, whether or not one accepts it, a master builder is part of an ellite group, . A talented builder, a good craftsman does not necessarely needs years of experience although in most cases they do. He relies on his talents, his / her craftsmanship abilities in many disciplines associated to model ship building.
Model ship building is an art. The traditional "masters' work can be qualified as fine-art. As for many modelers, and I do not wish to hurt anyone, the end product could often be entered into the "folk art" category. I believe this to be the case whether one builds from scratch or from a kit. It does not mean that one cannot be proud of the work done, for many (including myself) we are just in a different league, many of us work and aspire to reach that upper level.
Kindest regards.
GOne needs to elaborate on why one would say "yes or no". Unless that is all the original poster expected: Yes or No.
First, one needs to assume the original question was about ship modeling.
If one does, the subject of a TV program must be studied, planned and executed. I am not a TV program producer, but I would imagine that any program on any subject goes through a boardroom dicussion process to make sure it is viable to reach as wide an audience as possible. Many of the comment qualify as such and there is definitly an argument to be made in favor or not.
And to answer the question, you may count me in the "no, I do not think it is not a good idea" ranks.
The second part of the subject line (The masters who are here and have free time can give lessons and practices about modeling...)
Not so much the who, but what defines the masters in question for the original poster?
One needs to know that once the term master has been defined, does he or she has the time to dedicate him or herself to be featured in such complicated venture: a TV program.
But then again, in our "social media world" these days, everyone is a so-called expert modeler.
And in my opinion, it is quite something to assume that any well seasoned / talented modeler (master) has that kind of time and energy to dedicate on top of building his / her models, which in itself can take months, years to achieve.
On a personal note and as written by some here, I do not think model ship building needs to grow an audience. Building is a solitary endeavor at every level. Yes, most modelers seek information while at the same time, they often also seeks or needs recognition for his / her work (good or bad). It would seem that it is where a forum come in: be nice to all, no criticism given or be qualified as an elitist. Although the assumption is that most modeler wish to improve on both these subjects: technique and overall look of fidelity for their model.
By definition, whether or not one accepts it, a master builder is part of an ellite group, . A talented builder, a good craftsman does not necessarely needs years of experience although in most cases they do. He relies on his talents, his / her craftsmanship abilities in many disciplines associated to model ship building.
Model ship building is an art. The traditional "masters' work can be qualified as fine-art. As for many modelers, and I do not wish to hurt anyone, the end product could often be entered into the "folk art" category. I believe this to be the case whether one builds from scratch or from a kit. It does not mean that one cannot be proud of the work done, for many (including myself) we are just in a different league, many of us work and aspire to reach that upper level.
Kindest regards.
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sorry it is not relevant to the main topic.Frank
When a thread "drifts" and takes on a life of its own, the continuation of the discussion in a direction perhaps unanticipated by the original poster is generally a good indicator of its value to its participants, regardless of the original poster's intention. That does not in any way categorically imply any disrespect to the original poster. More often, in fact, it indicates that the original poster has contributed to the vitality of a forum regardless of whether that outcome was intentional or not.
There is much merit in noting the confusion that can arise when a thread drifts off topic (which usually occurs with good reason and to good effect) in a direction which bears no relationship to the thread title and thus becomes "hidden" and difficult to later locate by the original thread subject title. I think there's a very simple "hack" to negate this result. All that is required is for the Administrator or the original poster to enter a final post in the thread which announces that a new thread has been opened with a new title that reflects the "drifted" off-topic subject matter with a link to the new thread and then close the original thread if the original subject has "run its course." If not, the original thread can remain open and the new post linking to the new thread containing the off-topic discussion can instruct readers to post further off-topic posts to the new linked thread. The first post of a new topic containing previously posted off-topic discussion can itself direct the reader to the original thread for discussion posted previously with a link to the original thread, or, as may be desired, the earlier off-topic discussion can be "cut and pasted" to the first post of the newly created thread. It's all easier done than described in writing.
Simply "locking" the original thread is not a productive solution because it stifles further discussion of both the original topic and the "drifted" unrelated subject matter.
Best of both worlds? Simply close this thread with a link to a new thread in which we continue exploring the fundamental nature of our hobby or the desirability of actively encouraging growth in it.
Hi Bob,
However, in this case, it’s important to note that the original poster himself acknowledged the drift and expressed concern in post #50 (page 3), saying: "I apologize, but the topic seems to have strayed from the purpose of the title... I don't want to be the cause of such a fuss."
When the original poster voices concern, it’s only respectful that we take steps to honor their intent for the thread. We value vibrant discussions, and drifting into new ideas is part of that. But to keep the forum organized and welcoming for all readers, especially future ones looking for specific topics, we ask that when a discussion naturally branches off, a new thread be started. It’s easy to do and ensures no valuable conversation gets lost or buried. Simply "letting it flow" without structure can confuse and make it harder for everyone to find and enjoy the great content being shared.
Thanks again for your understanding, and if you feel the conversation deserves a new thread, we'd be happy to support that!
If you'd like, we can assist you with creating a new thread.
I love the idea, but I too do not know where to start. Keep the ideas and assistance flowing.
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maybe it is the translation that does not express the meanings but , the difference I know you have to see You if you know it. Frank
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Hello my friends,
First of all, thank you for allowing me to answer your question. The hobby of model building itself is a bit different from all other hobbies. Anyone who started it as a child is always happy about a nice model when it looks really good. We all know that some models aren't that great, but then we can laugh about it together and make it better.
We learn from each other and with each other. It makes no difference at all whether a model is built completely from scratch according to historical plans or from an ordinary kit. What counts is simply the attention to detail and the perseverance to complete the model.
There are no model builders who are above others, and they should be ashamed of themselves. Because anything elitist is simply ridiculous. But that's probably more of a psychological problem. So far I've always come across nice and helpful model builders, but I have to say that model building, whether in plastic, wood or iron etc., is no longer as important as it was when we were children. The desire to build models has declined because society has changed. Computers, 3D etc. have also contributed to the fact that people prefer to look at an animated model instead of letting their imagination run wild and sinking into another world with the model.
Model making will always have and find its fans among enthusiasts of this craft. However, I doubt that it will actually become more popular and commercially successful if it becomes more widely known, as this hobby is very special and involves a lot of work.
Nevertheless, I am always optimistic and would like to see many more people discover this hobby for themselves. It either relaxes you or drives you crazy. But maybe I'm wrong.
If I can support the campaign, I'd be happy to help ...!
Best regards
Günter
First of all, thank you for allowing me to answer your question. The hobby of model building itself is a bit different from all other hobbies. Anyone who started it as a child is always happy about a nice model when it looks really good. We all know that some models aren't that great, but then we can laugh about it together and make it better.
We learn from each other and with each other. It makes no difference at all whether a model is built completely from scratch according to historical plans or from an ordinary kit. What counts is simply the attention to detail and the perseverance to complete the model.
There are no model builders who are above others, and they should be ashamed of themselves. Because anything elitist is simply ridiculous. But that's probably more of a psychological problem. So far I've always come across nice and helpful model builders, but I have to say that model building, whether in plastic, wood or iron etc., is no longer as important as it was when we were children. The desire to build models has declined because society has changed. Computers, 3D etc. have also contributed to the fact that people prefer to look at an animated model instead of letting their imagination run wild and sinking into another world with the model.
Model making will always have and find its fans among enthusiasts of this craft. However, I doubt that it will actually become more popular and commercially successful if it becomes more widely known, as this hobby is very special and involves a lot of work.
Nevertheless, I am always optimistic and would like to see many more people discover this hobby for themselves. It either relaxes you or drives you crazy. But maybe I'm wrong.
If I can support the campaign, I'd be happy to help ...!
Best regards
Günter
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