Bluenose - color of the hull?

[otto]

Hello,
Just a question regarding the Bluenose (the first one, not the Bluenose II).
What was the original color of the underwater part of the hull? I could not find any information in the -for me reachable - sources. Maybe somebody in Northern America has better possibilities.
I saw different colors in builded models: a copper cover, and a dark red Shining color.
Background: I‘m going to start a first attemp with a micro model („Mini Mamoli“) to see what would be possible to reach in such a scale (1:160) with additional scratch parts for the simple model, at example a cover on the hull with very thin „homemade“ planks from wood veneer.
I rather would try a better scale with more details but when thinking loud about a new kit I‘m faced with the question what do I think where is the exhibition hall in our flat.
Thanks in advance -Otto

 

[Uwek]

did you check already the different topics in our group build?
I could imagine, that you will find the necessary information there

Bluenose Main Support Page

 

[otto]

Hello,
Thank you - after a second round searching around now I found something.
But let me ask more detailled: also in the paper from „Smith & Rhuland“ from 1970 is for the hull mentioned „Bottom - Red Copper“. Does it mean a color („Farbton“) ore a material, so in this case copper plates?
Mr. Zu Mohnfeld wrote that beginning in the 1840‘s they used copper plates - but not until when… Also in 1921?
VBR Otto

 

[Uwek]

as I understood the hull was painted in "red Copper"

Schooner Bluenose Colors

For those interested. The attached is a copy of a letter from Smith & Rhuland Limited in 1970 answering a modelers question about what the colors were of the original Bluenose. Fred Rhuland was kind enough to provide a very detailed outline in his response.

shipsofscale.com

This is also clearly written here:

Bluenose Old Photos, Books, and resources from the past

That is a picture of the Endeavour replica under construction in Fremantle WA. in 1989/1990 Something like this? Not pirated. Borrowed to show it can be done for non profit or private use. Admins should probably delete once you have had a look Rich. DM me for method if you want for your own...

shipsofscale.com

 

[otto]

Hello,
Thank you - now it is clear.
VBR - and greatings from Berlin to Viena - Otto

 

[Jeff T]

I was going to use a Red Oxide paint that I bought, but I didn't like the way it went on in a test painting. Instead, I am going to use ModelExpo's Hull Bottom Copper Red (MS4814) paint which is similar to Red Oxide.

 

[Alex Binkley]

Hello,
Thank you - after a second round searching around now I found something.
But let me ask more detailled: also in the paper from „Smith & Rhuland“ from 1970 is for the hull mentioned „Bottom - Red Copper“. Does it mean a color („Farbton“) ore a material, so in this case copper plates?
Mr. Zu Mohnfeld wrote that beginning in the 1840‘s they used copper plates - but not until when… Also in 1921?
VBR Otto

Thanks for sharing that information. Many years ago I visited Lunenberg and saw the site where the ship was built.

 

[Bob Ellis]

Hello,
Just a question regarding the Bluenose (the first one, not the Bluenose II).
What was the original color of the underwater part of the hull? I could not find any information in the -for me reachable - sources. Maybe somebody in Northern America has better possibilities.
I saw different colors in builded models: a copper cover, and a dark red Shining color.
Background: I‘m going to start a first attemp with a micro model („Mini Mamoli“) to see what would be possible to reach in such a scale (1:160) with additional scratch parts for the simple model, at example a cover on the hull with very thin „homemade“ planks from wood veneer.
I rather would try a better scale with more details but when thinking loud about a new kit I‘m faced with the question what do I think where is the exhibition hall in our flat.
Thanks in advance -Otto

See 'Scale and the Compelling Impression' on YouTube by Tom Lauria. Tom introduces aerial perspective, where the atmosphere dilutes the colour intensity with distance. This has the effect of standing some distance from a real ship rather than a close look at a model. In effect all colours are muted. a black model is painted dark grey, the red is dulled with grey in the mix. All this adds realism to the build.
Fishing boats, like Bluenose were often a satin as opposed to gloss, so we avoid a gloss finish (either way it doesn't scale and makes your ship toy-like).
Red oxide is a far better choice than 'post office' bright red.

 

[jeep]

I used a deep red (check my log). To me it's more the color of anti-fouling paint that is in use today. I custom mixed till the right temperature was reached.

But this, of course, is all relevant to the to the individual.

 

[Uwek]

Hello,
Just a question regarding the Bluenose (the first one, not the Bluenose II).
What was the original color of the underwater part of the hull? I could not find any information in the -for me reachable - sources. Maybe somebody in Northern America has better possibilities.
I saw different colors in builded models: a copper cover, and a dark red Shining color.
Background: I‘m going to start a first attemp with a micro model („Mini Mamoli“) to see what would be possible to reach in such a scale (1:160) with additional scratch parts for the simple model, at example a cover on the hull with very thin „homemade“ planks from wood veneer.
I rather would try a better scale with more details but when thinking loud about a new kit I‘m faced with the question what do I think where is the exhibition hall in our flat.
Thanks in advance -Otto

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