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Kit Review Cisne Negro (Black Swan), 1:75 by OcCre

Arrrright me hearties, the ruffle’s been cast, the winds o’ fortune be blowin’, and we’ve got ourselves a winner, none other than the gallant Rob444! Hoist the sails an’ raise yer mugs, for this fine matey’s claimed the prize with the luck o’ a true sea dog. May his ship sail ever steady, and may the treasure bring him joy aplenty. To the rest o’ ye fine crew, fret not—there be fair winds ahead, and Lady Luck may smile on ye next time. Until then, raise a toast to Rob444 and keep yer compasses steady! Three hearty cheers fer Rob444—YARRR!


@Rob444, kindly drop me a (PM) Private Message so we can sort out the shipment details for yer well-earned prize. Fair winds to all!
 
I am honored to have won! I will start construction and a build log once I finish my Constitution cross section build! It is rare I ever get anything. I will be drinking a bit of grog this evening to celebrate! Beer

Thank you all for allowing me into this wonderful group and all the help you have provided as I learn and enjoy this wonderful hobby!

Rob
 
Ahoy there, matey!

Raise the sails and sound the cannons, for we be offerin' a hearty congratulations to ye, Rob444, fer claimin' the grand prize in the Black Swan raffle!

Ye've earned the envy of all hands aboard Ship of Scale, and a fine vessel she be, ready for ye to master. May yer buildin' journey be filled with fair winds, steady

hands, and a true pirate's spirit. From all of us at OcCre & LucZorama, we tip our tricorn hats to ye — now hoist that model high and set sail on a grand

adventure! ⚓‍☠️
 
Hello! I am not sure if this question has been answered already, but I am trying to figure out which real-world ship most closely matches the silhouette of a specific fantasy ship (the Black Swan). I know it is largely based on the Black Pearl, which is also a fantasy design, but I am looking for its closest historical counterpart.

Ideally, I would like to modify the ship's stern to make it more realistic without losing the high rear castle, which I really like. However, I cannot find any historical ships online that match the Black Swan's overall silhouette. If I find a ship that matches the lower hull, the upper structure is entirely different; if the rear castle matches, the rest of the ship does not.

I understand the fantasy design is a mishmash of different styles. Assuming the most difficult parts to modify are the actual hull shape and length, what other parts could I realistically alter to make the design look more like a historically accurate 17th- or 18th-century ship from a specific nation?
 
Naima said:
Hello! I am not sure if this question has been answered already, but I am trying to figure out which real-world ship most closely matches the silhouette of a specific fantasy ship (the Black Swan). I know it is largely based on the Black Pearl, which is also a fantasy design, but I am looking for its closest historical counterpart.

Ideally, I would like to modify the ship's stern to make it more realistic without losing the high rear castle, which I really like. However, I cannot find any historical ships online that match the Black Swan's overall silhouette. If I find a ship that matches the lower hull, the upper structure is entirely different; if the rear castle matches, the rest of the ship does not.

I understand the fantasy design is a mishmash of different styles. Assuming the most difficult parts to modify are the actual hull shape and length, what other parts could I realistically alter to make the design look more like a historically accurate 17th- or 18th-century ship from a specific nation?
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Before trying to identify a historical counterpart, I'd ask a more fundamental question: why use the fantasy ship as the starting point at all if your goal is a historically accurate model?

The Black Swan, like the Black Pearl, wasn't designed as a representation of any specific 17th- or 18th-century vessel. Its hull, proportions, stern, and decorative elements were created to achieve a dramatic cinematic silhouette rather than to reflect historical naval architecture. As a result, there isn't a real ship that truly matches it.

If historical accuracy is the objective, it is usually easier, and ultimately more convincing, to begin with a documented vessel (or a well-researched reconstruction) from the navy and period you want to represent, then borrow only the aesthetic elements you like from the Black Swan, such as the imposing stern, decorative carvings, or color scheme. Trying to "reverse engineer" a fantasy design into a real ship often requires changing so many features that very little of the original remains anyway.

If, instead, your goal is a plausible historical-looking fantasy ship, that's a different and perfectly valid project. In that case, you could choose a specific prototype, say, an English or French frigate of the late 17th century, and modify the stern galleries, beakhead, figurehead, gunport arrangement, masts, and rigging to follow contemporary practice while retaining the overall dramatic silhouette.
 
Jimsky said:
Before trying to identify a historical counterpart, I'd ask a more fundamental question: why use the fantasy ship as the starting point at all if your goal is a historically accurate model?

The Black Swan, like the Black Pearl, wasn't designed as a representation of any specific 17th- or 18th-century vessel. Its hull, proportions, stern, and decorative elements were created to achieve a dramatic cinematic silhouette rather than to reflect historical naval architecture. As a result, there isn't a real ship that truly matches it.

If historical accuracy is the objective, it is usually easier, and ultimately more convincing, to begin with a documented vessel (or a well-researched reconstruction) from the navy and period you want to represent, then borrow only the aesthetic elements you like from the Black Swan, such as the imposing stern, decorative carvings, or color scheme. Trying to "reverse engineer" a fantasy design into a real ship often requires changing so many features that very little of the original remains anyway.

If, instead, your goal is a plausible historical-looking fantasy ship, that's a different and perfectly valid project. In that case, you could choose a specific prototype, say, an English or French frigate of the late 17th century, and modify the stern galleries, beakhead, figurehead, gunport arrangement, masts, and rigging to follow contemporary practice while retaining the overall dramatic silhouette.
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Hello! I chose this model for several reasons. First, it cost less than more elaborate models like the ZHL Black Pearl, and it's a smaller size, so I actually have room for it. Second, it's a pirate ship, and I like pirates! It's also my first ship build; it's classified as an easy build, but not completely elementary.I don't really like the stern of the Black Pearl and wanted to research something more interesting. I'm not totally leaving the 'fantasy zone,' but I want to take it in a more plausible direction rather than just a random mixture of things. I want to make it my own version of the ship. I don't care for some of the provided elements on the Black Swan, like the columns, so I want to give it a more realistic shape while keeping it a fantasy ship. Basically, my concept is: what if a pirate captured a realistic vessel and customized it to their liking?
So I am going toward a plausible Fantasy.

As for the Black Swan in particular I was lookig for the most plausible possible similar ship to "invent" the new Stern and story behind it , still Fantasy though .
 
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