Double mainstay rigging

[Messis]

How is a double mainstay rigged? The kit's instructions show a rigging that it doesn't looks like to be real! And the serving also doesnt look ok.

 

[paulv1958]

Serving is correct at hearts, but at mast its a loop per stay held by a mouse


MOUSE. A large knob, in the shape of a pear, formed on stays; also a smaller one round messengers, by intertwisting a small rope round the strands.
Mainstay with stay collar:

1. Stay eye at main masterhead;
2. MOUSE;
3. Spliced eye;
4. Leather parceling;
5. Stay;
6. Upper heart;
7. Lanyard;
8. Lower heart;
9. Stay collar from 18th centure, fully served

AL jut simplified for the kit as most suppliers do. Its up to you to do full rigging. In many small scale ( 1:100 or less its not visible) but in a larger scale it looks much better. I suggest Lennarth Petersson book "Rigging Period ship models" for a better view and explanation. AL have just taken short cuts.

 

[Messis]

@paulv1958 thank you very much for your help. I do have the book. My question was more to the fact that the hearts were placed high and after the foremast, instead of lower and nearer to the bow sprit.

In the mean time I proceeded with my model installing the one of the two main stays. As you can see not according to the kits instructions.

 

[Messis]

And now both stays in position. Though I dont know if again thats correct. It came out he one to be slightly above the other... should they supposed to be more side by side, more parallel to each other

 

[Uwek]

Once more study the photos of the replica - they made the rigging historically correct

Hermione - a 32-gun Concorde-class frigate fitted for 12-pounder guns - dockyards of Rochefort, France

During the visit of the modelers event in Rochefort I had the chance to visit also the frigate Hermione in the docks of Rochefort. In the first post you can find a short description, following the photos I made during my visit....if questions, please do not hesitate to ask photo by Uwe From...

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and this photo

Hermione - a 32-gun Concorde-class frigate fitted for 12-pounder guns - dockyards of Rochefort, France

During the visit of the modelers event in Rochefort I had the chance to visit also the frigate Hermione in the docks of Rochefort. In the first post you can find a short description, following the photos I made during my visit....if questions, please do not hesitate to ask photo by Uwe From...

shipsofscale.com

 

[G. DELACROIX]

Hello

The rigging of the "replica" of L'Hermione is false, the stay and the preventer-stay must pass on starboard of the foremast.
The hearts are in the lower part.
You have the example, among others, on the model of the Dédaigneuse, almost identical to L'Hermione in the museum of Rochefort.

 

[Uwek]

Hello

The rigging of the "replica" of L'Hermione is false, the stay and the preventer-stay must pass on starboard of the foremast.
The hearts are in the lower part.
You have the example, among others, on the model of the Dédaigneuse, almost identical to L'Hermione in the museum of Rochefort.

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Gerard, many thanks for the correction of my comment. You are much closer to the direct and detailed information.
And I will be more careful in formulating my technical information, which were based on some talks with some guys on the replica, during my visit.
I have a technical question to this detail:
If both are passing on the same side (starboard) the foremast, than the stays are producing some pressure and torsion towards the mast, or? or was the belaying point not in the axis of the ship, but partly on starboard? Very interesting detail

 

[G. DELACROIX]

No, the two stays went through the fang of the gammoning knee which is in the axis of the ship. It must be believed that this position had no influence on the holding of the foremast because it is a provision very common in many times of the French navy.
L'Hermione's "replica" was rigged by a Swedish rigger who was perhaps not aware of all the subtleties of French practices.

 

[Messis]

Oh guys.... dos and redos again

Thank you very much @G. DELACROIX & @Uwek

Christo


@G. DELACROIX Do you have any sharper picture... I cant distinguish the upper hearts nor the rope through the gammoning.

 

[G. DELACROIX]

Here's in detail on a museum model that had an accident (L’Égyptienne):

 

[Messis]

@G. DELACROIX a thank you "as big as it gets" ....
Nice of you again!
Christos

 

[Messis]

Corrections applied.....